Brexit thread - what happens next

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Assuming of course we have anything to trade with them. Sure the EU has to make concessions but they also have a much larger pool of potential goods and services with which to trade.

If Australia doesn't want anything we produce or supply then why would they deal with us?

Pro tip. Australians are humans just like us.
 
Cooled container ships.

That's not strictly true. Some fruits really need to be airfreighted, as just chilling them isn't sufficient for them to survive a long sea transit. There are controlled atmosphere containers, which can prolong the lifespan of the fruit, but airfreight will generally offer better condition and yield a better price.
 
Not particularly, we had fairly easy movement in Europe pre-Maastricht, you just needed a job offer. Certainly not months of waiting and needless bureaucracy.

Which is not that simple in itself. Being out of the country severely restricts your job hunting ability, then there would be questions as to why employ an immigrant and aquire a visa (most countries require the company to show they cannot employ locally). Then the fees the company would have to pay. It still takes months and lots of money on those types of visas as people who have been through that process can attest to.

So yes, months of waiting and needless be autocracy. It can also mean that if you quit your job/are made redundant/fired then you have a very short period to leave the country unless you can stay on another visa/citizenship (which usually takes lots of time and money).

Out of interest dowie have you ever actually been through an immigration process?
 
Pro tip. Australians are humans just like us.

Who will want the best deal possible, so again, why trade if we bring nothing to the table?

Edit: Actually, what does that even mean? :p

Of course they're humans, we are too. Yet we, as a whole, voted to leave the EU possibly against our own best interests let alone other members of the EU.
 
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This was basically common knowledge, no one sensible who voted Leave would've denied any economic impacts. It's just we care more about where our country will be in 10 years than 10 weeks

What about the people without jobs/ made bankrupt during those intervening years? How many graduates thrown on the scrap heap because there aren't skilled jobs for them when they graduate (because companies left)?

All for the possibility of a more positive future in 10 years.
 
Also look at the European countries that decided not to join... those poor, struggling EFTA members: Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein... look at their GDP per capita, look at how poor their citizens are.... oh wait a minute

Then look how many people are in each and what their main industries are... ;)
 
OK but do you accept that the position of 'Prime Minister' is somewhat weaker than the position of 'President' though?

That would largely depend on what powers each had. "President" doesn't mean specific powers. One countries president can have vastly different powers to another.

What powers do the EU presidents have compared to the British prime minister for example? It's not like the power of the US president is comparable to an EU president is it.

You presume we can get better deals than the EU can.

But the local greengrocer usually gets better deals from farmers and distributors than Tesco, right?
 
Nope. It is the fact that a tomato can stop an entire trade deal that is hilarious! Only in the EU!

(Plus they tend not to fly fruit and veg)

Actually the do. It's just not needed much in the UK as most of our fruit and veg comes from the EU...
 
Then look how many people are in each and what their main industries are... ;)

well for Switzerland, by GDP, the economy is very broadly broken down into:

agriculture (1.3%) industry (27.7%) services (71.0%)

like us they've got a fairly large finance industry
 
Tomacco is where the real money is at.

$1 per bushel

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well for Switzerland, by GDP, the economy is very broadly broken down into:

agriculture (1.3%) industry (27.7%) services (71.0%)

like us they've got a fairly large finance industry

And a significantly smaller population.

Norway is basically an oil rich state, with a small population

Lichtenstein is basically a tax haven with a few tens of thousand

Iceland was bankrupt a couple of years ago because its economy was essentially banking and it has a couple of hundred thousand people.

The UK is not like any of them.

What about the European countries most similar to us? France and Germany? Both of who are in the EU and benefit from free trade.
 
And a significantly smaller population.

Norway is basically an oil rich state, with a small population

Lichtenstein is basically a tax haven with a few tens of thousand

Iceland was bankrupt a couple of years ago because its economy was essentially banking and it has a couple of hundred thousand people.

The UK is not like any of them.

What about the European countries most similar to us? France and Germany? Both of who are in the EU and benefit from free trade.

Germany & France are also net contributors to the EU and contribute more in funding than the UK does.

I thought this was really cool and shows what a transparent organisation the EU is unlike our own.
 
And three have a deal which involves freedom of movement (then one of those three applies the emergency brake, and can do because they're the size of an insignificant town).

Lichtenstein only gets to restrict residency not movement in or out of the country or the right to seek work. About 53% of its workforce commutes in from outside the country.
 
There's so much daydreaming in here about trade deals like it transport tycoon or something.

Its basically like total war. You just click on the country you want to trade with, see how good a chance you have , if it's rubbish offer some money and then boom, trade deal.

Only takes a few clicks and a minute at most. Don't know what everyones worried about.
 
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Absolutely! The EU are terrible at deals. They have to fill it with restrictions just because a Swedish lobster seller doesn't like the deal. They get half a trade agreement at best. Outside the EU we can get a deal that is focused on our needs.

Switzerland's deal with China gives the Chinese tariff-free access to the Swiss market today on the basis of a promise that they'll grant the Swiss tariff-free access in fifteen years time. Is this the kind of "good" deal you'd like to see the UK negotiate outside of the EU?

It's true the EU can be slow negotiating trade deals, on the other hand they don't accept bad deals and have the market value with which to negotiate for better.
 
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