Brexit thread - what happens next

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For double irony, because we have little experience in international trade deals, most of them will be immigrants!!!

Isn't it galling, that the once great trading nation of Great Britain now has "little experience in international trade deals". I know that for some reason a lot of remainers now think it's a funny word despite it being a really important issue that people have died for in our history, but thank God we're taking back our sovereignty.
 
This and what our potential new PMs have been saying seems to be the most likely scenario now.

Just wondering how the transition would work. Would we leave.... Had a period of being on our own until we apply and new terms agreed.... Or would we be phased into the new agreement so we don't have a period of being little England.
 
Just wondering how the transition would work. Would we leave.... Had a period of being on our own until we apply and new terms agreed.... Or would we be phased into the new agreement so we don't have a period of being little England.

Phased. There will be no gap. It isn't reasonable for the UK, EU or world economies to have any gaps.
 
Phased. There will be no gap. It isn't reasonable for the UK, EU or world economies to have any gaps.

Unfortunately. If we do go for this option.... It will mean that Farage wont be going away and ukip have a high probability of getting more votes in the next election.

I would hope that people would turn away from that party now they realise a lot of things they were saying were huge lies..... I doubt that though... It seems this man can say anything and his followers take it as gospel.... I really don't understand why that is.
 
Unfortunately. If we do go for this option.... It will mean that Farage wont be going away and ukip have a high probability of getting more votes in the next election.

He stepped down as UKIP leader and will cease to be an MEP. I can't see him doing much as a regular UKIP member.

Will he rise again to prominence in UKIP if the UK goes the Norway route? Who knows.
 
So work has suddenly dried up in the last two weeks with immediate effect? Sounds more like an employer cynically exploiting the situation to make cuts to me. Good luck to him finding work though.

I suspect power station design and construction is multi year...
So if they now can't guarantee they'll be able to do the work in several years times they probably can't bid on new contracts as they won't know what conditions they'll be working under in the future.
If they were in the process of say bidding for a contract the company may have been able to absorb full time pay for the staff during a lull between one contract ending and another starting.

I'm going to guess that under such conditions the people wanting the work done will go with companies they know aren't going to have potential visa issues.

This is the sort of thing the remain camp (both for the EU and Scottish vote) were talking about, uncertainty is extremely bad for businesses that have to work competitively across national borders.
Saying "it'll work out fine" or "it's short term" doesn't cut much ice when companies need to know what they're going to be doing in 5 years (as is the case with many major infrastructure and building projects), and the reason most new legislation affecting products tends to have several years between being passed and it coming into force, it allows the businesses affected to plan ahead and work out how to deal with it.
 
Depending which countries you're talking about volatility in oil prices will be affecting investment decisions on a weekly basis. The profitability of the UK coal fleet for instance is heavily tied to oil prices because as gas becomes less profitable coal becomes more so.

In Europe at least investment decisions in energy generation are all extremely marginal if you're not sucking at the subsidy teat. A lot of new build is still taking place outside Europe however.
 



Governmental processes moving from democratic control to large multi nationals is the danger.

Trade deals with America and Canada are an example. American one won't effect us but the Canada deal looks like it will lock us in for 20 years.

It gives companies the right to take governments to court (in secret) if they object to legislation, on a range of issues from wages to the environment.

Issue is if a multinational does not like the decision a sovereign state has made it has a chance of legally challenging and potentially altering the law of individual countries.

U.K. government has been strongly supportive of this form of arrangement.

Danger control could simple move from an E.U. bureaucracy to a multi national backed bureaucracy.

Politics here is fluid, nothing is certain but these issues are a real and present danger.

Its not an in or out issue as these moves are backed by a wide range of politicians in the U.K in Europe and in N. America.
 
Unfortunately. If we do go for this option.... It will mean that Farage wont be going away and ukip have a high probability of getting more votes in the next election.

I would hope that people would turn away from that party now they realise a lot of things they were saying were huge lies..... I doubt that though... It seems this man can say anything and his followers take it as gospel.... I really don't understand why that is.

I think more people know this now. There were lies on both sides. This middle ground is perhaps the best position to satisfy the most people. We will have left the EU so I'm sure that will appease some. In reality they will be our neighbours and still have influence. We can't escape fully from the EU.
 
If they plan years in advance then they should have years of work in the pipeline - it doesnt make sense hence likely an excuse.

Yes they'll have work in the pipeline, but that is what it is, a pipeline.

There will be parts of the company that will be working on existing projects for the next X years, but there will also be parts of the company that need to get the next job lined up and start on that.

If there is uncertainty about the future projects, or you fail to get jobs you expected to win and it looks like the conditions are going to make it harder to get replacements, looking long term you might want to cut staff who are underutilised at the moment (but were expecting to be fully using again soon), or cut hours so you retain the staff for as long as possible.

Cutting staff means losing the expertise completely, putting them on shorter hours means you can hopefully ramp up faster when conditions improve (and it's kinder on the staff).

IIRC it's what a number of businesses tend to do if there is a major downturn in their market for whatever reason, as if your staff need specialist qualifications and experience it's much harder to recruit replacements.

It's also worth noting that cutting fixed hours early (and any cost cutting measures that don't affect your ability to deal with your current workload) tends to pay of later.

A little like if you are self employed or on a short term but well paid contract, you don't wait until you've got no work and no income to cut your expenses, if you're sensible you'll cut back a bit where possible before you run out of work so your savings last longer.
 
You know that's the plan though right? I posted about it on Tuesday.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=29739572#post29739572

Whitehall only has 20 trade negotiators, the EU has 600.

#thisisalright we knew this would happen....................

if you can privatise national / international trade negotiations I see no reason why the same can't be done for the NHS, or maybe that's the plan. #Lets take this 350 million and bung it private enterprises to run our health service.
 
#thisisalright we knew this would happen....................

if you can privatise national / international trade negotiations I see no reason why the same can't be done for the NHS, or maybe that's the plan. #Lets take this 350 million and bung it private enterprises to run our health service.

I bet I'll get a corporate branded pen when I go A&E after it's privatised, that's an improvement at least, I don't even get a pen now.
 
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