Brexit thread - what happens next

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Tefal said:
not what i asked. if you where severely misdiagnosed and suffered greatly for years because of it would you continue to use the same doctor or would you use a different one?

Your analogy after all.
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It's not though because a) I was being flippant, and b) nobody is laying this at the foot of one specific person who we can just stop asking their advice on.

The same experts spelling out a post-Brexit economy today would likely have been able to list the effects of the 2008 crash if they were given the information to make that prediction. That they had no idea what large investment banks were doing behind closed doors doesn't really debunk their knowledge of macroeconomics.

The argument of "the experts didn't see 2008 coming therefore they must be wrong about this as well" is a completely insane position to take.

If you want to use a medical analogy introduced as a joke then it would be like not trusting a doctors advice ever again after he misdiagnosed your illness a decade ago because you lied about your symptoms.

Edit: And also there's the minor point that what people predicted is happening right now but somehow the experts will still be wrong in the end, for whatever value of 'the end' works for the argument at that point in time.
 
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Tefal said:
not what i asked. if you where severely misdiagnosed and suffered greatly for years because of it would you continue to use the same doctor or would you use a different one?

Your analogy after all.
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Who is this different one you speak of? There is largely two sides to this coin so you pick the other side?
 
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The jobs market was already factoring in a surge in opportunities due to the expected Remain vote so that figure is just them returning to norm....nope I can't just use blind stupid hope to get through this, sorry.
 
These endless Brexit threads.. They are all now just signalling and waiting for the echo chamber to reassure them that everything is ok... Sad really..

It's all over guys.

You lost. :)
 
Mr Jack said:
Never fix your mortgage, it's almost never worth it. Take the best discounted rate you can get and you're likely to be better off. Fixed mortgages are a bet, you against the mortgage company, on the levels of future interest rates; but like most gambling, the house always wins because the game is rigged in their favour. You're essentially paying a premium for them to take the risk of interest rate changes instead of you.

So unless an interest rate change actually threatens your ability to pay, take the lower rate, put it in savings and if rates go up you can use the extra money you've saved to offset the increase and end up, 9 times out of 10, up on the deal.
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If interest rates are in an upward trend then fixing isn't a bad idea, only at the moment they remain low and look to be edging lower.

I am on a tracker at base rate + 1.09% so any fall is good for me, but my monthly cost is currently £375 so it won't fall by much.
 
SciNeT said:
These endless Brexit threads.. They are all now just signalling and waiting for the echo chamber to reassure them that everything is ok... Sad really..

It's all over guys.

You lost. :)
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"You lost" should be banned in this thread. It's annoying and not really adding anything constructive?

Guess your negotiation tactic with the eu would be "you lost" ?
 
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This thread is called "what happens next" where people are shockingly discussing what happens next. I know you desperately want to read endless posts of people saying "boo hoo it's all really bad everyone who voted leave is a racist" so you can have your little circle jerk but you're making posts now that don't even try to be replies to anything taking place in the thread.

Also you still think this is all a game which is hilarious.

If you feel like explaining how "it's all over" when we don't know who our next PM is going to be, when article 50 is going to be triggered, and what relationship with the EU we are aiming for then I am all ears.
 
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SciNeT said:
These endless Brexit threads.. They are all now just signalling and waiting for the echo chamber to reassure them that everything is ok... Sad really..

It's all over guys.

You lost. :)
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It is indeed all over. We all lost.

And if you think this is "endless" barely more than two weeks after the vote, you're in for a shock. This is barely the start and will go on for years. Even if the outcome is eventually good (highly debatable) the short-medium term very likely won't be. Be prepared for this issue to dominate political and social life in this country for some time to come. It's not something that will (or can) just blow over.

Brexiters have no plan for how to proceed, most of the Brexit leaders have run for the hills and refuse clean up the mess they've created, those stepping into fill the void aren't sure how to proceed. Is it any surprise people (and the markets) need reassurance and Remainers aren't willing to just lay down and be trampled on by a herd of sheep who have no shepherd.
 
Rroff said:
I don't see it - not if someone fully doesn't support either outcome.
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because it was a yes or no answer? There wasn't a 'maybe'. You either condone the outcome or dispute it. People fought and died for that right....

Rroff said:
The general direction is pretty bleeding obvious even if some of the details are unpredictable.
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The general direction from either sides was so vague I don't get the obvious you are implying? We either implode or become a shining light?

I don't care about immigration but what annoyed me about the EU was not providing extra funding and support to countries like Greece, Italy and those first hit to do it properly and process properly. It was so poorly done and as a result a lot of bad things happened. Where was EU human rights then to help people who need support?
 
I have read a lot and listened to a lot from both sides...

And I have changed my mind... It is possible with leave I will lose my job... But I am beginning to think I might be wrong in voting remain...

But the problem I have remains I am worried.
 
Cern said:
It is indeed all over. We all lost.

And if you think this is "endless" barely more than two weeks after the vote, you're in for a shock. This is barely the start and will go on for years. Even if the outcome is eventually good (highly debatable) the short-medium term very likely won't be. Be prepared for this issue to dominate political and social life in this country for some time to come. It's not something that will (or can) just blow over.

Brexiters have no plan for how to proceed, most of the Brexit leaders have run for the hills
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Problem is that the largest majority of voters to leave were from the only section of society that was old enough to have voted into the EU in 1975.
People younger then that are mystified and assume leaving the EU is like judge dread getting banished to the wastelands. Who knows, Im too young also but for a view it probably needs more representation from that older generation to have some gauge on 'what happens next'
 
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Caged said:
The jobs market was already factoring in a surge in opportunities due to the expected Remain vote so that figure is just them returning to norm....nope I can't just use blind stupid hope to get through this, sorry.
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No, this is not supported by the graph, look at the comparison of jobs in the period before Brexit in 2015 to the same period in 2016.
 
HungryHippos said:
If interest rates are in an upward trend then fixing isn't a bad idea, only at the moment they remain low and look to be edging lower.
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Fixing is a bad idea, always, unless you've over-exposed yourself to risk. During periods when interest rates are going up you pay a higher premium for fixing and that higher premium means you lose out. Even if you end up paying a bit more at the end of the period, the money you saved at the start will nearly always outweigh it. You're paying the mortgage company to take the risk; this only makes sense if you can't afford to take the risk yourself.
 
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