Summer Transfer Window 2016/17 - Rumours & Signings

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united need a physical player in midfield, someone who has great interception and ball winning ability, we still wont have that with Pogba.

Don't get me wrong, id love Pogba at the club, but a squad like ours with such issues in the team should not be smacking such a load on one player.
 
Exorcise said:
but a squad like ours with such issues in the team should not be smacking such a load on one player.
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If spending €120m on Pogba stopped them from spending on other players they need then I could see your point but that's not the case, they could easily go and spend €300m this summer without breaking a sweat.
 
I know, trust in Mou I guess, just in my opinion regardless of the signings we have made, I think we are still 2 or 3 players short of a team that can win the league next season.
 
NexusK said:
If spending €120m on Pogba stopped them from spending on other players they need then I could see your point but that's not the case, they could easily go and spend €300m this summer without breaking a sweat.
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Of course its just rumour at this point, but a few sunday papers are saying JM is prepared to sell upto 8 players to fund the Pogba deal

Even allowing for wages as well as the Transfer fee, that seems to be very high (and while the current squad does have 4 or 5 players that could be sold without any issue at all, 8 appears to be excessive).

Another rumour is that JM wants two completely different XI's , one with the new recruits + the best of the rest for the EPL, and the other team for Europa to include normal squad members + promising youth product.

Not sure how the latter could even work for very long given the injuries that Utd usually rack up and those that dont find thier form immediately but should be interesting to see
 
If they sold 8 from the first team they'd need to buy in at least another 8. The squad depth was shown up last season and i doubt they'd risk that situation again. The way I see it there should really be more players bought than sold this summer.

Not that it will be true anyway though, it came from The Sun who in turn got it from a 'source'.
 
NexusK said:
If they sold 8 from the first team they'd need to buy in at least another 8. The squad depth was shown up last season and i doubt they'd risk that situation again. The way I see it there should really be more players bought than sold this summer.

Not that it will be true anyway though, it came from The Sun who in turn got it from a 'source'.
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Not sure I agree with that, in that the quality is always more important than quantity (to an extent)

Rojo , Jones, Valencia, McNair, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Januzaj, Mata, Young

Could really all be sold right now without that much of an effect on who would be useful next season - and all of those were part of the first team squad

After Pogba (or a suitable alternative), add possibly one decent defender (either FB or CB) and the squad would still be better off than last season imo
 
FrankJH said:
Not sure I agree with that, in that the quality is always more important than quantity (to an extent)

Rojo , Jones, Valencia, McNair, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Januzaj, Mata, Young

Could really all be sold right now without that much of an effect on who would be useful next season - and all of those were part of the first team squad

After Pogba (or a suitable alternative), add possibly one decent defender (either FB or CB) and the squad would still be better off than last season imo
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You would have to add up the number of games they played last season to how they played to see how hy would be missed or surely you are replacing them with lesser players or potential.

Sounds a bit extreme without three or four in. But apart from mata I don't think many really contributed too much.
 
I mean if we sold that lot we'd end up with 2 central defenders, no experienced cover for full backs, no cover for wide positions. We could sell most of them but we'd have to replace them. We saw last season what happens when you sell your squad players and don't replace them.
 
Shamikebab said:
I mean if we sold that lot we'd end up with 2 central defenders, no experienced cover for full backs, no cover for wide positions. We could sell most of them but we'd have to replace them. We saw last season what happens when you sell your squad players and don't replace them.
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between them how many games did McNair, Jones and Rojo play at CB?

I very much doubt it was more than a handful (not to mention the fact that in my original post I actually stated getting a defender in)

We also have Fosu Mensah as a decent backup for both position , not to mention Bothwick Jackson as fb backup, so I dont see why defence is that much of an issue to start with. Even if Darmien alternates like last season between left and right defence. Blind is also a handy full back also even if JM doesnt want to use him as a CB

We also have Lingard available as wide backup

So it really woundlt be THAT much of an issue as you are making out.

Im just trying to point out how much wastage there currently is in the squad.

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. But apart from mata I don't think many really contributed too much.
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Exactly my point, very few if any (apart from Mata, but pretty certain he is a gonner anyway) contributed anything, so there really isnt any point in having them in the squad - and some are the wrong side of 30 (Valencia, Young) or permanently injured (Jones).
 
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FrankJH said:
between them how many games did McNair, Jones and Rojo play at CB?

I very much doubt it was more than a handful (not to mention the fact that in my original post I actually stated getting a defender in)

We also have Fosu Mensah as a decent backup for both position , not to mention Bothwick Jackson as fb backup, so I dont see why defence is that much of an issue to start with. Even if Darmien alternates like last season between left and right defence. Blind is also a handy full back also even if JM doesnt want to use him as a CB

We also have Lingard available as wide backup

So it really woundlt be THAT much of an issue as you are making out.

Im just trying to point out how much wastage there currently is in the squad.


Exactly my point, very few if any (apart from Mata, but pretty certain he is a gonner anyway) contributed anything, so there really isnt any point in having them in the squad - and some are the wrong side of 30 (Valencia, Young) or permanently injured (Jones).
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They played enough games that losing them would leave us open to disaster. Especially as we were fortunate that Smalling and Blind managed to avoid injury for almost the whole season. If he's not considering Blind as a centre back then losing them and not replacing them could be a disaster. What if Smalling gets a long term injury? What if Bailly doesn't settle?

Fosu Mensah looked a defensive liability when he played, he might have potential but the thought of him playing centre back in a big game....wow.

Squad members are not wastage, they're what wins leagues. You can have the best first eleven in the world, but if you don't have the backup then a few injuries means you lose a significant number of points.

The defence has looked thin for 5/6 seasons, we've had a defensive shortages every season at some point, suggesting losing even more options is pretty baffling.
 
there is wastage in the squad that's for sure.

but we should be looking at creating a squad with two high quality player for each position with ideally 3 in some positions such as CB, ST and CM.

We are a long way from that, flying a bunch of players out of the squad this summer if we are not willing to replace them for ones Jose wants will leave us very short if we have a bad injury crisis......I just cant see us getting rid of 8 first teamers to pay for this deal.
 
Real Madrid out of the Pogba race according to Sky Sports:

Manchester United’s path to sign Paul Pogba is now clear after Real Madrid ended their interest in the midfielder for economic reasons, Sky Sports News HQ has been told.

According to sources close to the deal, United’s superior financial strength has given them a huge advantage in negotiations with Pogba’s agent, Mino Raiola, and forced Real to admit defeat in their pursuit of the player

At this point in negotiations, the basic transfer fee for Pogba is understood to start at around £85m (€100m).

However, when taking into account add-ons and bonuses related to the success of the player and the club – as well as Raiola’s fee – the total amount United pay for Pogba’s transfer could reach over £105m (€123m).

This is not including the player’s contract, which is expected to comfortably exceed £65m, were the club to pay him a basic salary of £250,000 per week on a five-year contract.
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FrankJH said:
Not sure I agree with that, in that the quality is always more important than quantity (to an extent)

Rojo , Jones, Valencia, McNair, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Januzaj, Mata, Young

Could really all be sold right now without that much of an effect on who would be useful next season - and all of those were part of the first team squad

After Pogba (or a suitable alternative), add possibly one decent defender (either FB or CB) and the squad would still be better off than last season imo
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Jones, Mcnair and Young are unlikely to go as they help fill the homegrown quota.

Fellaini and Januzjai can F R O for all I care
 
Marca (Real Madrid's mouthpiece) confirming what Sky Sports have said:

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BREAKING: Real Madrid have ended their interest in Paul Pogba. #ESP

Manchester United now have clearance to purchase the midfielder for a world record fee of €123m. More on the story to follow.
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I suppose there's still the chance Juventus will refuse to sell him...
 
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