Why are you putting words in my mouth? I didn't say I approve of anything, I didn't even mention the referendum.
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Why are you putting words in my mouth? I didn't say I approve of anything, I didn't even mention the referendum.
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Dont elect somebody like that would seem the best logic
I at least want a convincing liar so they can pull the same trick on foreign nations, a bad liar just sounds like a setup for failure and decline in the nations trade relations etcTrump appears to be a bit of an idiot. Way too egotistical. I dont even support Obamas policies but I respect he is good at the diplomatics in politics or if you like, lies well
The current PM I dont know much of but seems likely better then Gove or Boris or whoever was supposedly on the list. Not saying I agree with any of them but at least do what you do, well
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Dont elect somebody like that would seem the best logic
Trump appears to be a bit of an idiot. Way too egotistical. I dont even support Obamas policies but I respect he is good at the diplomatics in politics or if you like, lies well
The current PM I dont know much of but seems likely better then Gove or Boris or whoever was supposedly on the list. Not saying I agree with any of them but at least do what you do, well
Dave wasn't great on foreign policy.
May's the only person on that list that could lay claim to any considerable foreign lobbying, EU lobbying specifically, experience. Now she's in power. Davis was a Europe minister in his earlier political incarnation, but from the way he's going, I figure he had the department do the work for him. We'll see how it pans out for both. The other top choices are more questionable. Grey hair in this case doesn't mean much. A few indulgent political knifings may also prove costly for the new PM.
Aren't they? It's definitely been discussed. I'd wager that we're likely to see a political union between Australia and New Zealand before Turkey joins the EU.
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I was replying to your glib statement that it was a marketing ploy(telling lies) for stupid people. Trump in one case but the logic must therefore apply to the UK and the Referendum.
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There's no reason whatsoever why Ireland couldn't choose to leave. The EU is failing and everyone can see it.
But where did you get that I support it?
I'm certain that will continue. The issue for Ireland at the moment is the EU are going to harmonise corporate tax levels which will completely hurt Ireland. Their tax levels would be over 30%!
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Don't confuse your interpretation of the situation with actual opinions of another country's public. Recent opinion polling doesn't bear this 'collapse in ten years' scenario out, and indeed overestimates Brexit's impact and our overall significance. Ireland isn't prominently featured, but I did dig this summary of a recent local pollster up featured in their media:
http://www.newstalk.com/reader/47.301/76329/0/
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/majority-feel-brexit-is-bad-for-irish-economy-34847875.html
Support for the EU in Ireland is almost unchanged from last summer. The picture has been different in other countries, but contrary to common sense the support for the EU had been boosted by a vote for Brexit across the board. Funny that. A few extremists can flail around all they like in the EUP, they too have no plan or power.
The UK were the ones stopping it happening. Now the UK will leave the EU will proceed to harmonise. http://m.independent.ie/business/br...ax-in-its-sights-after-uk-quits-34835831.html
http://www.bna.com/brexit-seen-boosting-n57982075184/
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I guess the argument there is that they'll magically lose their veto without being able to veto said loss. I've read worse.
Except if the EU force the FTT and CCCTB through which they will. Countries do bow to pressure especially when ganged up on.
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BBC news today -Australia wants free trade deal with UK.
The article goes on to say that trade deals take years to draw up. Why?
Mr Australia - "Hi, I have this stuff here, want to allow trade with the stuff you've got, no import taxes and whatnot?"
Mr UK - "Sounds good to me cobber".
So why is it not this simple?
The article goes on to say that trade deals take years to draw up. Why?
Mr Australia - "Hi, I have this stuff here, want to allow trade with the stuff you've got, no import taxes and whatnot?"
Mr UK - "Sounds good to me cobber".
So why is it not this simple?
Because you've got to work out how it's going to work and what goods.
For example I doubt very much Australia will want a free trade deal that involves shipping vegetable or animal products over to them without certain restrictions (you try going through Australian customs with even just wooden products from some areas).
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Doesn't need to take years though does it. They probably already have a list.
They give us their list, we give them our list. No problem.
It could be done in weeks, if they stopped with the silly beurocracy.
Australia might want a tariff on say, cars. To protect their own car industry, and Britain says I don't bloody think so if you want that there'll be a tariff on kangaroo ears! etc.
Interesting... So the CCCTB directive which covers tax harmonisation for the purposes of paying one single tax bill within the EU is something I'm imagining? Tax harmonisation is going to feature in this.
The UK were pretty good at stopping this. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/18/uk-reject-eu-plans-combat-multinational-tax-avoidance Ireland won't have so much luck.
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It's also worth reiterating that international trade isn't like selling a dodgy moped behind the pub. Spit and handshake isn't really how it's done these days.
We have not triggered A50 yet. And it will be two years hence (unless a very special accommodation is reached by all partners in talks) before we can legally seal any other trade deal outside the EU and complete our exit, pending any further talks regarding our new relationship with the EU. Furthermore, even the simplest of international agreements require due process, staff and money to be done and more time to come into effect.
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I'm aware on the A50 constraint, but the years for the deal itself seems absurd.
I'm not sure what Australia export? But whatever it is has got to come half way around the world. It is hardly going to be ruinous to our existing established manufacturing that is already located here, and well, if it is then it means we weren't competitive enough - tough titty.
I'm not sure what Australia export? But whatever it is has got to come half way around the world. It is hardly going to be ruinous to our existing established manufacturing that is already located here, and well, if it is then it means we weren't competitive enough - tough titty.
Because we may want to protect our sheep farming industry for example?
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