German train 'axe attack'

RaohNS · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:37

KillBoY_UK said:
Less than a thousand it seems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Federation_Law_on_Refugees (third paragraph)

Well, here we have it then. What is Russia doing despite having a border approaching 10,000mi they have a small number. Europe sees an influx of millions of migrants. That is a massive problem for any country.

I'm off to Russia next month as it so happens so will be expanding my mind further away from what the press tell me here haha

RaohNS · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:39

Neil79 said:
Agreed although we do have a number of members who think that these attacks are " jumping to conclusions " as a terror attack.

It must now be at the stage where we can call it an educated guess surely

While we shouldn't jump to conclusions we equally shouldn't blind ourselves to possibility either.

platypus · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:40

RaohNS said:
Well, here we have it then. What is Russia doing despite having a border approaching 10,000mi they have a small number.

They tend to bomb them.

I'm off to Russia next month as it so happens so will be expanding my mind further away from what the press tell me here haha

I'd be surprised if you get to far off what they want you to see really, unless you've got a lot of dollars. Have a good trip though, great country.

RaohNS · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:41

leaskovski said:
Like this one, as per the reddit thread:

Lol that's awesome... Reminds me of Cartman and the Special Olympics... Except this young man won lol

KillBoY_UK · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:43

Xordium said:
Except the US supplied the Taliban and their precursors. Hell even Rambo went there and helped and praised them!

Ture but it hardly resolves Russian in there part of destabilising the country before hand, they love to invade place more than evil "west" I'm sure Chechnya, Georgia etc would agree.

mid_gen · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:44

Thompson_NCL said:
Neither Thailand nor Nigerian have been involved in the Middle East and both are victims of ongoing Islamic terror. Even if we have no involvement with the Middle East for a hundred years, we'll still have Muslims slaughtering people in the streets.

The founder of Islam was a warrior and since its inception they have been waging holy war on everyone they could. They have been the enemy of European civilizations for more than a millennia.

People have been killing people in the name of religion for as long as there has been religion, they're all as bad as the others in my view. Even if we take your view that Islam is THE WORST, what do you propose we do about it?

MookJong · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:44

ISIS flag found in his house is a worry, hard to deny this one wasn't committed to the cause.

RaohNS · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:47

platypus said:
They tend to bomb them.

I'd be surprised if you get to far off what they want you to see really, unless you've got a lot of dollars. Have a good trip though, great country.

Well only having a few thousand refugees per year then as we may construe having very strict requirements on their stay is I would say a very positive thing.

Should be going a few places over there. Have been asking and my mate who I am going with had family that travelled many times and said it was their favourite place. Not taking a fortune as its pretty cheap unless you go for tourist specific things where you get charged a whack.

RaohNS · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:49

KillBoY_UK said:
Ture but it hardly resolves Russian in there part of destabilising the country before hand, they love to invade place more than evil "west" I'm sure Chechnya, Georgia etc would agree.

Well Chechnya I really the only valid "invasion" element you have there. Georgia was caused by what exactly? Hint: The same nation who got involved in the Ukraine and caused that trouble.

How many countries have Russia invaded again since becoming the Federation?

RaohNS · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:50

MookJong said:
ISIS flag found in his house is a worry, hard to deny this one wasn't committed to the cause.

I think the police planted it

KillBoY_UK · 19 Jul 2016 at 09:56

Georgia was caused by what exactly? Hint: The same nation who got involved in the Ukraine and caused that trouble.

How many countries have Russia invaded again since becoming the Federation?

RaohNS said:
I think the police planted it

Why ruin what was a sensible discussion and go abit tin foil hat ?

RaohNS · 19 Jul 2016 at 10:03

KillBoY_UK said:
Why ruin what was a sensible discussion and go abit tin foil hat ?

I was only doing my impression of a SJW.

Statement about RF stands. Russia went into the The Ossetia area (high Russian ethnic population) because a certain agency with three letters to their name were conducting things they shouldn't be. They started something, Russia retaliated and now Georgia feels the impact.

The whole mess in Ukraine was started by the US and EU. For now we will ignore the ultimate rule of the UN as it defeats all arguments on the issue of the "invasions".

KillBoY_UK · 19 Jul 2016 at 10:10

RaohNS said:
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The whole mess in Ukraine was started by the US and EU. For now we will ignore the ultimate rule of the UN as it defeats all arguments on the issue of the "invasions".

Well I agree with you there but not the the same reasons. I pretty sure Russia wouldn't of invaded if they had nuclear weapons and it was the US/EU that encouraged them to disarm. Any other US/EU reasons is a stretch at best and doesn't give Russia the right to invade Imo.

I can see we are not going to see eye to eye on this and I rather not get into a argument but you and entitled to your opinion as am I.

Puzzled · 19 Jul 2016 at 10:17

KillBoY_UK said:
Ture but it hardly resolves Russian in there part of destabilising the country before hand, they love to invade place more than evil "west" I'm sure Chechnya, Georgia etc would agree.

Afghanistan used to be quite an open and progressive country in the 70's (by Middle East standards) before it was ravaged by war and the Taliban took control. Egypt has also become more hardline and extreme over the last few decades as well, the question is what are the main factors pushing peoples views that way.

Western meddling? Saudi Arabia pushing Wahhabism? Sand in all the wrong places? Who knows.

Will be interesting to see what happens when the need for oil drops globally due to new technology, they haven't got much else going on to keep their countries afloat.

RaohNS · 19 Jul 2016 at 10:19

Well no we wont always see eye to eye and that's fine. I'm a proponent of US meddling in regions that are not receptive to their connivance will end up in trouble.

I was shocked to learn that Panama is a US run enclave. The poster who was trying to get me at 17/18 to take note of that who kept mentioning Noam Chompsky I owe an apology to in that regard. US meddling will be starting in the South China Sea soon enough and will leave countries like the Phillippines in a mess

KillBoY_UK · 19 Jul 2016 at 10:21

MonkeyMan said:
Will be interesting to see what happens when the need for oil drops globally due to new technology, they haven't got much else going on to keep their countries afloat.

Gundam 00 Season 1 did that as a plot-line/plot backdrop and it didn't end well for the middle east shall we say

RaohNS · 19 Jul 2016 at 10:23

MonkeyMan said:
Afghanistan used to be quite an open and progressive country in the 70's (by Middle East standards) before it was ravaged by war and the Taliban took control.

Will be interesting to see what happens when the need for oil drops globally due to new technology, they haven't got much else going on to keep their countries afloat.

Afghanistan used to be beautiful. The swan lake is an impressive aight in a country of sand and rock. Iraq was a progressive country too in the 1930's if photographs of the era are to be believed.

When the need for oil drops there is the follow the money rule. What are the Saudis/Kuwaitis and Bahranians royal families investing in now in the west? (Besides the Clinton foundation

sorry couldn't resist)

platypus · 19 Jul 2016 at 10:55

Until recently, property in London it seems.

MookJong · 19 Jul 2016 at 11:01

There is a fantastic graphic that I have posted before and can no longer find showing the students of I believe Cairo university.

In the 60's / 70's all the women are in skirts and blouses and not a headscarf in sight. Then in the 80's you see a couple of scarfs and conservative clothing the 90's more and then the 00's every woman has a scarf and is covered from ankle to wrist.

There was absolutely a change that happened where these countries were engaging with western secularism and then in the 90's rejected it for an older identity.

platypus · 19 Jul 2016 at 11:02

Well the Iranian revolution has a lot to answer for.