Russia's new S-500 platform has some success - though far from a perfect counter - I believe on paper it is reasonably good upto around 8km/s and functional above that with more limited results.
Poll: Trident - would you renew? (Poll)
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Russia's new S-500 platform has some success - though far from a perfect counter - I believe on paper it is reasonably good upto around 8km/s and functional above that with more limited results.
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Do the French use Trident? Or their own, they were nuke testing as long as anyone in the non-developing nuke nations. Blowing up little attols in places no French person has ever been etc.
Yet again, like the EU debate, people sling around figures that are a load of balls.
£31 Billion is the estimated cost of acquisition AND lifetime programme running for the Trident renewal. Not all of which will be realised by the UK. It may overrun, as with all defence engineering programmes, but not by a factor of 9.
That is approximately 3 months of NHS funding. Small fish in reality.
Until the entire planet disarms, the UK must have nuclear capability to guarantee it's own security.
we should unilaterally disarm and send a powerful message to the world, if we get hit there isn't going to be much left to care about a retaliation strike, but that will never happen for many reasons.
also it isn't going to be us waiting it out in bunkers, its going to be the ruling elite.
also it isn't going to be us waiting it out in bunkers, its going to be the ruling elite.
Interesting that the OCUK poll almost matches how the MPs voted
There's an echo in here
As much as certain people want it to i.e. Corbyn it doesn't work like that - especially for a country with a legacy like ours.
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I love all these 'bring back National Service' types. They never think about it. I spoke to Military personnel about it and all said 'No thanks'(the politest reply). They did not want people who are only concerned about their release date and do the minimum in the meantime. Apart from the costs. Lots of new barracks built, equipped, soldiers clothed, fed, rifles, ammo, etc, etc ,etc. A minimum 5p increase in taxation although it would ,especially in the setting up stage, be double that.
You do realise the fact we have nuclear weapons prevents a conventional war, of which the last major one killed 50-80m people. A conventional war these days would likely kill 3-10 times that number.
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Apologies if this has already been posted, but I found this quite funny
SNP MP questions May on if she's prepared to "Push the big red button"
Hardly going to say "We will spend £30Bn+ on this weapons system but no I will never use it"
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Indeed you only have to look at America who have more guns than people to see that tis is an effective deterrence as there is very, very little gun crime in America. Oh wait..
This ignores their purpose though.
If we and others disarm, war is far more likely.
You don't ever need to use a nuke for it to be good thing.
So you want to disarm conventional bombs then. Several city blanket raids killed far more than the nukes.
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If guns in the US meant the shot person could kill the person who shot him, and their spouse, and their kids, and their neighbours and all the people they work with. Then yeah guns might work as a deterrence but as they don't your argument seems a little off. And I do get you were being sarcastic.
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Its a deterrent. Without it there would have have been far more blood-shed in the previous decades. Doesn't say much for humanity but that's the world we live in.
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I'd rather fix our problems at home first, like the under funding of the NHS, the complete animalisation of public services, to "help fix our roof while its sunny" mentality.... Before spending billions on something that will never be used and contradicts its purpose! This is an American Mentality "Damn, people getting shot "need MOAR GUNNNNSSS"
Anyways, back to hugging that tree with me!
Anyways, back to hugging that tree with me!
To paraphrase Dr. Strangelove, the entire point of a nuclear deterrent is the fear that it might be used against you. One cannot simultaneously argue the effectiveness of nuclear weapons as a deterrent whilst rationalizing their safety on the grounds that they'll never be fired.
Why not have it as a voluntary system wherein you could have done as much free manual labour for the country and folk who didn't want to could watch you.
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We're spending £50Bn a year on interest on National debt when our borrowing cost is at near historic lows. Our deficit is also still £50Bn a year.
So compared to the Brown bust Trident's life time cost seem meagre.
So compared to the Brown bust Trident's life time cost seem meagre.