Brexit thread - what happens next

phil675 · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:07

Amp34 said:
So all those highly skilled workers we want will decide to head somewhere else that's easier to get into? Great idea!

You make it easy for the people you want.

estebanrey · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:19

Greebo said:
We are talking about free access.

I know, so people should say free or tariff-free access and stop making this deliberately disingenuous claim that you "cannot access the single market with accepting free movement"

Greebo said:
Of course lots of countries trade with the EU with tariffs and customs and controls on quantities allowed to be imported each year etc,

Yet with the exceptions of Norway & Switzerland, none of the other hundred plus countries that sell into and buy from the single market think trading their ability to control immigration numbers for a bit of a discount on trade is worth it.

They can't all be wrong surely.

estebanrey · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:21

Amp34 said:
So all those highly skilled workers we want will decide to head somewhere else that's easier to get into? Great idea!

They'll head for wherever's offering them most money.

delta0 · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:22

Amp34 said:
So all those highly skilled workers we want will decide to head somewhere else that's easier to get into? Great idea!

It doesn't take long to get a visa in the UK. High skilled people go through tier 1 and this can be done the same day if you book application and turn up in person.

Tier 2 is a skilled visa and that you usually apply for with a job offer. That is 10 days with a priority service.

[TW]Fox · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:22

Would they be offered it even if they did think it was beneficial? There must be a high proportion of those 'hundred plus' countries that the EU would never approve freedom of movement with.

[TW]Fox · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:23

delta0 said:
It doesn't take long to get a visa in the UK. High skilled people go through tier 1 and this can be done the same day if you book application and turn up in person.

gov.uk said:
You can no longer apply or extend Tier 1 (General) visas.

With effect from 6 April 2015, Tier 1 (General) will close and applications to extend leave will no
longer be accepted. A

We've had enough misinformation in this whole Brexit saga without you adding more.

delta0 · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:29

[TW]Fox;29808164 said:
We've had enough misinformation in this whole Brexit saga without you adding more.

Is that a joke?

Use the visa premium service. You can get them same day. My wife used this before we were married (I went with her to the centre in Croydon). Also people at my work have used this. Book it and get all your paperwork together. You get your visa confirmed (or denied) within an hour or 2 after. If you can't get to the centr then you can also pay for the super premium service where they cost you. It is still 24 hours turn around.

Stretch · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:31

estebanrey said:
Yet with the exceptions of Norway & Switzerland, none of the other hundred plus countries that sell into and buy from the single market think trading their ability to control immigration numbers for a bit of a discount on trade is worth it.

They can't all be wrong surely.

No one else is a member of the single market or has been offered single market access.

Greebo · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:36

Stretch said:
No one else is a member of the single market or has been offered single market access.

Canada's trade minister said in a recent interview that Canada wanted free movement with their trade deal with the eu but couldnt get it.

Billies Bangers · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:39

I was listening to a piece on the radio yesterday that said if you are white, low income, with poor education attainment the likelihood is you voted for Brexit. That is exactly the same demographic in the U.S. that are backing Trump for President.

Not only that but it's a similar demographic that are agitating for drastic change across Europe. Surely that should be ringing alarm bells with politicians everywhere.

Rightly or wrongly this demographic feels left behind by society and does not have a share in the wealth of the country they were born in. They feel their whole way of life is under threat from immigration and it's a toxic mix.

I don't pretend to have an answer to this conundrum and I suspect neither do the politicians.

delta0 · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:39

Greebo said:
Canada's trade minister said in a recent interview that Canada wanted free movement with their trade deal with the eu but couldnt get it.

A link to this?

kitch9 · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:41

Greebo said:
We are talking about free access. Of course lots of countries trade with the EU with tariffs and customs and controls on quantities allowed to be imported each year etc,

Probably be worth running with tariffs to be able to take a more worldwide approach to trade.

Stretch · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:46

Greebo said:
Canada's trade minister said in a recent interview that Canada wanted free movement with their trade deal with the eu but couldnt get it.

I'm sure 90% of the countries in the world would happily accept free movement for a trade deal with the EU, and most would throw in their daughter for full single market access. The only country I can see turning it down are the US, and possible some authoritarian states who don't want visitors.

[TW]Fox · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:51

delta0 said:
Is that a joke?
.

No.

The Tier 1 visa you discuss does not exist any more. My quote is direct from gov.uk.

estebanrey · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:54

Stretch said:
No one else is a member of the single market or has been offered single market access.

So the only products in the EU are EU made, there are no iPhones or Samsung products?

delta0 · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:55

[TW]Fox;29808262 said:
No.

The Tier 1 visa you discuss does not exist any more. My quote is direct from gov.uk.

Ah yes. It still exists but for dependent only now. Tier 2 is the one most applicable then. We do not have long waiting times for those wanting to use the premium (or super premium) services.

Woden · 20 Jul 2016 at 22:59

estebanrey said:
So the only products in the EU are EU made, there are no iPhones or Samsung products?

Trade with EU isn't a binary thing. It's not single market or nothing.

Stretch · 20 Jul 2016 at 23:09

estebanrey said:
So the only products in the EU are EU made, there are no iPhones or Samsung products?

Where did I say that?

estebanrey · 21 Jul 2016 at 00:14

Stretch said:
Where did I say that?

estebanrey said:
Yet with the exceptions of Norway & Switzerland, none of the other hundred plus countries that sell into and buy from the single market think trading their ability to control immigration numbers for a bit of a discount on trade is worth it.

They can't all be wrong surely.

Stretch said:

No one else is a member of the single market or has been offered single market access.

Click to expand...

So how do Korean and US products get into the hands of people who live in the single market? Saying no one outside the EU/EFTA has "access to the single market" means the only people who can sell anything within the EU are other EU/EFTA members, otherwise other people have access as well.

Stretch · 21 Jul 2016 at 00:21

estebanrey said:
So how do Korean and US products get into the hands of people who live in the sine market? Saying no one outside the EU/EFTA has "access to the single market" means the only people who can sell anything within the EU are other EU/EFTA members, otherwise other people have access as well.

Having access to the single market means you have unrestricted access to the European single market in goods and services. The single market removes all obstacles to trade. All countries can sell to Europe, but there are restrictions on what you can buy/sell, and the EU are able to impose tariff and non-tariff barriers, as is the case with goods from the US and Korea.