NHS Fail

[VincentHanna]

Indeed. If I ring at 8 a.m. in the morning I can always get a same say appointment for something that could be serious.

Very rarely do I have to though.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Well what you supposed to do when your GP is closed/fully booked?

i cant just role up on my GP any time i want, i literelly have to book a month in advance . if i have a crystal ball that can determin when next i will be sick, i will most likely book a month in advance accordingly....

Where do you live?

I never have any problems seeing my GP or getting seen at a walk in center.

 

[dowie]

Well what you supposed to do when your GP is closed/fully booked?

i cant just role up on my GP any time i want, i literelly have to book a month in advance . if i have a crystal ball that can determin when next i will be sick, i will most likely book a month in advance accordingly....

most GPs do have emergency appointments, otherwise you find a local NHS walk in centre

if you've been naively assuming until now that the answer is turn up at A&E then you're part of the problem

 

[muon]

I think you've missed the point - i.e. GDP is increasing at a greater rate than spending while still displaying roughly the same shape, which refutes the statement puppetworx made that the spending illustrated in his graph is not sustainable. If GDP increases at a greater rate than spending, then that suggests spending IS sustainable.

Ah ok. Sorry. In which case I misinterpreted puupetworx's initial post wrong. I thought he suggested the flatlining was unsustainable. The real interpretation didnt even cross my mind as it is silly as you've said.

 

[squerble]

Every GP has on the day appointments for urgent matters. There is also a walk in centre and/or urgent care in most areas.

Fighting at 08:30 on a phone line to try and get an appointment for the same day, or having to take an afternoon's leave from work because the queues are usually 2-3 hours at the walk-in centres is hardly a suitable situation, is it?

 

[jonneymendoza]

Fighting at 08:30 on a phone line to try and get an appointment for the same day, or having to take an afternoon's leave from work because the queues are usually 2-3 hours at the walk-in centres is hardly a suitable situation, is it?

well said

 

[Minstadave]

Fighting at 08:30 on a phone line to try and get an appointment for the same day, or having to take an afternoon's leave from work because the queues are usually 2-3 hours at the walk-in centres is hardly a suitable situation, is it?

Come off it, you ring up and ask for an appointment, or book online - lots of practices offer this now. You can book walk-in/urgent care appointments through 111 also.

If you have to take an afternoon off work to see the GP then you don't need an emergency appointment surely?

What do you actually want your GP to provide? Same day appointments for any old guff? My wife's practice do this and it's ludicrous, people come in for any old reason.

 

[dowie]

Fighting at 08:30 on a phone line to try and get an appointment for the same day, or having to take an afternoon's leave from work because the queues are usually 2-3 hours at the walk-in centres is hardly a suitable situation, is it?

yes it is... this really isn't hard - how long do you think the average time wasting moron has to wait in A&E if they're using it in place of a GP?

If you're that sick you probably shouldn't be in work.

well said

no not well said... though the fact that you and some others think like that is a good reason to bring in charges for time wasters at A&E

 

[squerble]

yes it is... this really isn't hard - how long do you think the average time wasting moron has to wait in A&E if they're using it in place of a GP?

If you're that sick you probably shouldn't be in work.



no not well said... though the fact that you and some others think like that is a good reason to bring in charges for time wasters at A&E

The only time I've gone to wait in A&E is when I'd already tried the NHS Direct phone line and they told me to go to A&E instead of the local walk-in centre. It was a three and a half hour wait. I don't use A&E in place of my GP.

The further problem is the fact that I can't get an appointment for a couple of days in advance. If I know I have a problem that isn't an emergency, but I'd really like to see my GP within a couple of days, I have to wait for weeks, or ring up at 08:30 to get an "emergency" appointment for that day. Ringing my doctors at any other time, or booking online, they can only offer appointments that are three weeks away. So this means my alternative is to use up an emergency appointment when it's not really needed, taking away a time for someone else who probably needs it more, or I have to go and sit for hours in the walk-in because you can't book an appointment. I'd be less peeved with the situation if you could make an appointment at the walk-in, that way I'm taking 30 minutes out of my day, instead of 3 hours waiting, not knowing when I'm going to be seen.

 

[shorttricky]

Fighting at 08:30 on a phone line to try and get an appointment for the same day, or having to take an afternoon's leave from work because the queues are usually 2-3 hours at the walk-in centres is hardly a suitable situation, is it?

If you can't be bothered to put that effort in, then it's clearly not even slightly urgent. I'd suggest asking for advice at a chemists and changing doctors.

If you're trying to argue that you should go to A&E in that instance, then you are one of the many many many many many people responsible for slowly choking the life out of the NHS.

 

[dowie]

The only time I've gone to wait in A&E is when I'd already tried the NHS Direct phone line and they told me to go to A&E instead of the local walk-in centre. It was a three and a half hour wait. I don't use A&E in place of my GP.

Well people using A&E in place of GPs is what was being discussed there. Either way I really don't see the issue with the current GP system if you need a same day appointment.

 

[Maloney]

I managed to get a same day appointment at my GPs even though I called up at 10am, which always been the case as far as my local practice is concerned.

As for A&E, I was in there with my partner who had broken her foot and we still had to wait for 3+ hours before she could have an x-ray. The amount of staff for a Saturday night was not enough. Simply put, more funding is needed; however, more people also need educating as to what actually A&E is for.

 

[squerble]

I managed to get a same day appointment at my GPs even though I called up at 10am, which always been the case as far as my local practice is concerned.

Perhaps my local practice is particularly busy then, because if I ring after 08:45, I ain't getting an appointment for that day.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

or having to take an afternoon's leave from work because the queues are usually 2-3 hours at the walk-in centres is hardly a suitable situation, is it?

If you have to go to a walk in center why on earth would you book half a days annual leave? That would be covered by sick leave, surely?

Plus, I've never had to wait 3 hrs to be seen at a walk in center.

The further problem is the fact that I can't get an appointment for a couple of days in advance. If I know I have a problem that isn't an emergency, but I'd really like to see my GP within a couple of days, I have to wait for weeks, or ring up at 08:30 to get an "emergency" appointment for that day. Ringing my doctors at any other time, or booking online, they can only offer appointments that are three weeks away. So this means my alternative is to use up an emergency appointment when it's not really needed, taking away a time for someone else who probably needs it more, or I have to go and sit for hours in the walk-in because you can't book an appointment. I'd be less peeved with the situation if you could make an appointment at the walk-in, that way I'm taking 30 minutes out of my day, instead of 3 hours waiting, not knowing when I'm going to be seen.

Sounds like your local GP practice is just ****, rather than it reflecting systemic problems in the NHS. Exercise your patient choice and switch to a better practice.

 

[Dis86]

If you have to go to a walk in center why on earth would you book half a days annual leave? That would be covered by sick leave, surely?

Plus, I've never had to wait 3 hrs to be seen at a walk in center.



Sounds like your local GP practice is just ****, rather than it reflecting systemic problems in the NHS. Exercise your patient choice and switch to a better practice.

His gp practice sounds exactly like mine. It's a terrible terrible system.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

His gp practice sounds exactly like mine. It's a terrible terrible system.

Change to a better one. All the metrics are available to review online for you to make an informed decision.

 

[Dis86]

Change to a better one. All the metrics are available to review online for you to make an informed decision.

The others near me are terrible in terms of performance and have another problem...addicts.

 

[do_ron_ron]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36854557?client=safari#

So as a "punishment" for completely ******* up their budgets and not being able to do the basics of a management role, they are now to also fail at their patient targets as well. Wow, I wish my employer was so forgiving, you **** it up? Ah don't worry we'll make it easier so you don't next time

This may be a watershed moment and it really feels although the government are now allowing the NHS to fail so it gets so bad they can just remove it.

A better solution would be managing the thing properly, God forbid though

It was not the managers who decided to construct the hospitals with ludicrously expensive PFI's. It was not the managers who decided to reorganise the NHS, either the recent one that even the Tories admit was not helpful, or previous ones that have fragmented the system. It was not the managers that decided that care should be based on league tables rather than patient need.
Once again, as in so many things it is the inept politicians that have caused the problem.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Not a peep about changing ways of working and re evaluating pay and conditions to ensure efficient use of cash?

This is the problem with the public sector, there is incentive to screw the end user as a means to get more money, and no incentive to actually manage the cost of delivering through service.

The problem is the right wing ideas on management and finance. You only need to look at the rest of the economy to see their failures. The race for the bottom in wages and conditions then expecting the taxpayer to pick up the bill to make their wages up to livable conditions. It is time to kick the right wing mentality out of a service so important to the ordinary public.

 

[do_ron_ron]

Paying people to push trolleys of paper notes round because of the refusal to embrace modern technology.

Maybe that is because the private sector ****** up two or is it three times when computerisation of the system was attempted. Massively over cost, years late and badly implemented.