Shots Fired in Munich Shopping Centre

That ******** at the McDonalds is horrible that poor oldish guy just minding his own business walking toward him :(

Horrible to see that young girl who runaway aswell you feel so hopeless I hope she survived along with all.

Seemed like a pistol to me from the shots going off?

This has to be Islamic state response to killing of the kid the other day in regards to the axe attack
 
Horrible to see that young girl who runaway aswell you feel so hopeless I hope she survived along with all.

Seemed like a pistol to me from the shots going off?

This has to be Islamic state response to killing of the kid the other day in regards to the axe attack

Defiantly a pistol the way he was holding it he did shoot off around 8-10 shots while the guy filming ran so not even sure what it is, i just don't understand how a person can do that to children and people they don't even know.
 
There are reports of one of the Suspects screaming "***** Ausländer" meaning "****** Foreigners".

This information is from Live TV @n24.de and is not confirmed.

Seems to be a lot of confusion.
 
Defiantly a pistol the way he was holding it he did shoot off around 8-10 shots while the guy filming ran so not even sure what it is, i just don't understand how a person can do that to children and people they don't even know.

That's because we are normal people with morals.


Hope the people are ok, but it didn't look good :(
 
jeez, was enjoying a beer by the rhein, mood changed pretty sharpish, police everywhere, security running around u Bahn. I'm going home to order a pizza
 
German police are apparently saying there's 3 separate gunmen based on eyewitness info.

if that is true then this probably Islam related

however it is 5 years to the day that these attacks happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

The 2011 Norway attacks, referred to in Norway as 22 July (Norwegian: 22. juli),[14] the date of the events, were two sequential lone wolf terrorist attacks by Anders Behring Breivik against the government, the civilian population, and a Workers' Youth League (AUF)-run summer camp. The attacks claimed a total of 77 lives.
 
Even not supporting or shunning Pakistan after no longer living there would be w good starting point. I am not saying that Yas can do this but all those British Pakistani cricket fans don't seem to realise that while they are outside of the country they can start change that perhaps they could not from within the country...

It's the general attitude of apathy that is most galling from allegedly intelligent people who say they know what the problem is but attack those who suggest that something should be done about it..

Edit I shielded an Asian looking girl in McDonald's from some deaf guy who was throwing out some language and apologised to her on our behalf on the way out of the store...it was one small thing but no one likes to be treated like a Christian would be in Pakistan.

It's perfectly possible to have affection for one's place of origin and support a sports team whilst denouncing the actions of a repressive or violent government. We don't bang up Scots for the rhetoric of the SNP (a bit of harmless humour here chaps, the SNP are not violent or repressive), as a for instance, or force them to abandon their beliefs and identity at the border because of actions of a few Twitter trolls and an occasional sectarian thug. We don't close down every Catholic church in the land and rewrite the Bible every time a priest abuses a child either. It's important to point out that in those cases, removed from our social and media bias, we seem to be capable of nuance. Why single out ordinary Muslims, and make extremists their sole problem?

Apathy in Western societies is generated in a way few minorities can be expected to resolve on their own, even if they recognise a path towards stamping out extremist which hi-jacks cultural elements and re-purposes them for violent ends. As individuals or volunteer and charity sector organisations they have neither the political clout nor resources, though they do what they can via parliamentary lobbying, expert evidence and other collaboration; just like anyone else in their situation would be, be it the UK or elsewhere in Europe. Local politics vary and can make things tougher, as one might end up in a situation where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

As for public apologies and social attitudes (which do drift towards Western standard over time, btw; but as our political greats indicate said standards might actually not be that far apart in their conservatism, if that's a particular issue for some) for certain actions, shows of compassion and solidarity, I agree those are nice gestures but such expressions cannot be forced and are down to the individual. A British Muslim is not responsible for the actions of an ISIS nutter, and as highlighted in these threads time and time again they oppose their violence. Most are affected by the same struggles and daily and systematic problems we are. And, yes, humans have the capacity to err and fail. Doesn't mean we should immediately hunker down, draw up the bridge and forget about our own liberal principles, or begin shedding human rights, privacy and rule of law left, right and centre. It'll lead to worse problems down the line.
 
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Despite what people say on here, Islam is not a race and not exclusive to brown-skinned people.

Indeed there are black and white Muslims. I work with a few and you couldn't tell if they are Muslim or not.

Where I work, I have a few regular customers who all have English sounding names but I see them quite regularly at Friday prayers. Quite bizarre but meh their choice to have English names rather than Muslim names.
 
Some guesses...

If there is more than one then it's most probably Islamic terrorism.
The fact that he's using a hand gun as opposed to an AK points to it being a lone shooter (either German or other).
If it's a lone shooter/non-IS related, expect a low death toll (under 10), unless he escapes and carries out another attack.

Guy will get shot down soon. 99% of the population around him have probably already ran away. He could do so much more damage if he had picked an enclosed location.
 
I know but i just have a hard time understanding the motive, Example a story in the news today a guy was with his family in the south of France scratched his thigh over his shorts and the Muslim guy with his own family went over said i didn't like that in front of my wife and stabbed the 2 daughters and the wife.

Its madness protecting yourself in your own home is one thing when your relaxed in Spain or France you just don't expect this kinda stuff.
 
Well it looks like they may be German nationalists. Thus far the only reports talking about motive seem to suggest they were ethnic Germans.

Why attack a mall though? I'd have thought a mosque or something would have made more sense. Breivik selected his target carefully, these guys seem to just be letting loose where they might kill the people (ethnic Germans) they are meant to care about.

We'll see soon I guess
 
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