Have you not considered that some Iranians may consider themselves white?
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Have you not considered that some Iranians may consider themselves white?
True.
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I guess GD's solution is broadly this: perfect information and a police state to go with it. Grand.
Systems will fail regardless of how draconian they are. It's not a good reason to dump due process, human rights and proportional policing, making the system even more draconian, because once it's finished with the perceived threats you've othered, it'll start on you. At what level of threat do you stop being a civil democratic state and become a death and fear cult in your own right? Where do you stop if you abandon evidence and start out of the principle of 'never again'? Examples in our recent history do not favour the force meets overwhelming force scenario.
It's not a matter of hiding one's head in the sand and 'letting these things happen'; it's a matter of recognising that given any degree of freedom in society -- there's a non-zero potential for violence and brutality, but this degree of freedom is preferable to a planned existence, lack of choice and complete bondage to authority. Capitulating to terrorism by transforming one's society into the latter mess won't leave many winners by any stretch of the imagination. Quite sad to see so many people hellbent on getting there.
We work out of the principle of minimising risk, not being always successful. That's just the uncertainty of life.
Doubtful, our intelligence and security agencies certainly don't and media promote only high view stories. But what about successful preventative actions in all three categories, or methods which lead to these interventions being a success? You never struck me as a well informed individual.
- What questions do we ask that anticipate violent behaviour several years in advance? Torture? What level of surveillance would make you feel 'in control' and is that healthy?
- Should we single out people fitting a particular data profile, even if they've lived in the country for years and have not done anything to alarm the authorities, deporting or imprisoning them just to be sure? Link minor offences and effects of poverty to terrorism, just to be sure?
- Will this magically fix other contributing social ills from racism to poor education, mental health services and housing, or the failure and under-funding in the asylum and immigration systems?
- Would you eliminate all divergent opinion and extreme views which nonetheless do not fall under hate speech and incitement to violence outright?
- How do you keep the situation stable and find the resources to maintain this at a high level through bad and good economic times?
Systems will fail regardless of how draconian they are. It's not a good reason to dump due process, human rights and proportional policing, making the system even more draconian, because once it's finished with the perceived threats you've othered, it'll start on you. At what level of threat do you stop being a civil democratic state and become a death and fear cult in your own right? Where do you stop if you abandon evidence and start out of the principle of 'never again'? Examples in our recent history do not favour the force meets overwhelming force scenario.
It's not a matter of hiding one's head in the sand and 'letting these things happen'; it's a matter of recognising that given any degree of freedom in society -- there's a non-zero potential for violence and brutality, but this degree of freedom is preferable to a planned existence, lack of choice and complete bondage to authority. Capitulating to terrorism by transforming one's society into the latter mess won't leave many winners by any stretch of the imagination. Quite sad to see so many people hellbent on getting there.
We work out of the principle of minimising risk, not being always successful. That's just the uncertainty of life.
Doubtful, our intelligence and security agencies certainly don't and media promote only high view stories. But what about successful preventative actions in all three categories, or methods which lead to these interventions being a success? You never struck me as a well informed individual.
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It's a minimum of 6, usually more like 8 years and fluent German to get citizenship normally. Assuming there's not some short cut I don't know about, he's probably been here a while.
But hey, let's not let that dissuade us from blaming Merkel and setting up internment camps, eh?
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Thanks to Alexander The Great, the Roman and British Empires, you'll find a whole load of Caucasian people in Persia.
Dateline London on BBC news channel right now, 2 of them have already criticised computer gaming as one reason we have these attacks. 
And one woman has already spouted the excuse that the Nice killer was eating pork and drinking alcohol 24 hours before, stupid people.
I was watching a news article yesterday that was discussing that the security forces are now looking into the fact ISIS etc are teaching their fighters to act anti-Muslim before they do any attacks, for obvious reasons.
So the not pious enough or not a true Muslim excuse has gone out the window in the future.
And one woman has already spouted the excuse that the Nice killer was eating pork and drinking alcohol 24 hours before, stupid people.
I was watching a news article yesterday that was discussing that the security forces are now looking into the fact ISIS etc are teaching their fighters to act anti-Muslim before they do any attacks, for obvious reasons.
So the not pious enough or not a true Muslim excuse has gone out the window in the future.
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You always struck me as a grade 1. If someone drove a truck through a French crowd in the 70s, 80s, and 90s we would have known about it.
You always struck me as a grade 1. If someone drove a truck through a French crowd in the 70s, 80s, and 90s we would have known about it.
Dateline London on BBC news channel right now, 2 of them have already criticised computer gaming as one reason we have these attacks.
lol. Like playing Call of Duty turns people into psychotic terrorists. Some people on this Earth are devoid of intellect.
That would break so many hearts in this thread.
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You were the only person to mention 'white supremacists', I said 'right wing nut job'. No mention of colour.
I would say any male over 14 and under 45 who came over in droves and still are, that would be where i would start.
Yes, i know this scum killer is apparently Iranian before the usual clan jump on my back, and had no ISIS\Terrorist links etc according to security forces.
We'll see.
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The leaders of UAE and Qatar have probably spent more on their favourite pass time than they have on helping refugee's, horse racing and horse breeding.
I have followed horse racing since the Sheik's from the UAE started buying horses over 30 years ago.
Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, head of the Maktoum family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Rashid_Al_Maktoum
Al Thani leader and family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamad_bin_Khalifa_Al_Thani
That is just 2, there are plenty more.
Billions spent on horses for fun.
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So we have a lone nutter who has been inspired by recent events to go out killing without any religious involvement or right wing sentiment.
To me this line has been pretty obvious for some time now. I've attended a fair few seminars and talks about radicalisation, Islamic fundamentalism and extremist violence. My most recent one was conducted by a very good young academic who had studied islamic extremism whilst over in the Philippines. His speech was controversial but also eye opening. His entire message, in much more eloquent guise, is pretty much what I simply reiterate above and if the general public are going to continue to generalise and point the finger at a huge proportion of our global population then they are simply helping to create more lunatics. Of course it's easy to just blame Islam but it's lazy and it's dumb. The reality is that the solution to the problem requires effort and more pragmatic thought than banging a "BAN RELIGION" drum. Alas I suspect the people that preach that don't want to hear it, because in the end it's easy to confirm your bias and beat your chest like the rest of the tribe than actually do something that requires action (I mean, how does one actually ban religion anyway? Bizarre).
It's actually difficult for me to admit the above anyway. Our military is currently engaged in a mission to disrupt and degrade ISIL and that we are doing successfully. The big picture though is exactly that - a bigger picture. It's bigger than bombing bad guys, that's not the answer to the big problem. The answer is a societal and socio-economic one. ISIL are a little problem in comparison.
Anyhow, as already mentioned, the news feed now suggests this guy was a loner lunatic on a gun frenzy, so no link to ISIL.... Yet.
Am I the only one thinking thatthis crazy media coverage of these events is actually increasing the number of them? I mean I'm sure there are many mentally unstable members of society who are on the edge, have extremists views and want to do something like this but the fact that they're seeing it all over TV, news etc pushes them to do it and they feel it's justified??