Punching kids on public transport

Tummy said:
Discipline =/= violence and assault.
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That's a very hippy attitude. So you're saying that discipline only involves violence and assault?

Discipline did me know harm. Got smacked on the bum once it hurt so much I never disrespected my parents again! Whatever they said I did.... luckily my parents had a respect for others.

No excuse for ignorance or arrogance.....
 
Burnsy2023 said:
That's a good argument for better parenting, not corporal punishment by members of the public.
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But if the child's parents are incapable of raising their child sufficiently should it not fall on society as a whole to do so?
If parents don't want others disciplining their children then pull your finger out and do it properly yourselves.
 
Begbie said:
Why do people care if other people have their feet up anyway? If it isn't affecting you, why does it matter? I can't understand why people would get so upset over it.
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You have to sit on these seats which people put feet on.

Would you put your feet, in outdoor shoes, on your sofa?

Not that it justifies the mans actions of course - his act was far more serious than that of the kids.
 
Dis86 said:
I'm not dismissing it. The initial assault was him telling them to stop acting like tools!
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So then the 'verbal assault' aka, children being children/cocky is a none issue? No? They did not instigate this. Man approached and committed initial
assault; then returned to commit another physical assault.

I hope he is charged.
 
helpimcrap said:
That's a very hippy attitude. So you're saying that discipline only involves violence and assault?

Discipline did me know harm. Got smacked on the bum once it hurt so much I never disrespected my parents again! Whatever they said I did.... luckily my parents had a respect for others.

No excuse for ignorance or arrogance.....
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I don't think it is fair to dismiss 'not hitting children' as a 'hippy attitude'. I said discipline does not mean violence no, there are multiple ways to discipline children.

I was never hit as a child; did me no harm either. I would not hit my child (if/when I have one/two/however many). I have looked after my sisters children plenty of times; they might misbehave from time to time (as children do, testing boundaries) but there are far better (in my humble opinion) ways of teaching children do's and don'ts.

I view violence as a last resort; I think it is dependant on context but self defense is more understandable.

I'm not a pacifist by any stretch, I boxed for years and have had a fair few scrapes, but I've just sort of got past that. I view it as a last resort or for protection.
 
Tummy said:
So then the 'verbal assault' aka, children being children/cocky is a none issue? No? They did not instigate this. Man approached and committed initial
assault; then returned to commit another physical assault.

I hope he is charged.
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Requesting someone stops antisocial behaviour is not an initial assault.
 
Dis86 said:
Requesting someone stops antisocial behaviour is not an initial assault.
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Oh! :D.

We have no idea what was said; it is pure speculation. I doubt he was overly polite, as I doubt they were overly polite. However; they did (according to the witness) remove their feet from the seats. It was only when it happened again did he attack.

You can harp on about the verbal assault; but it could have been a 'oh, **** off old man', as much as the initial contact could have been 'Get your ******* feet off those seats or else'.

:).
 
Tummy said:
Oh! :D.

We have no idea what was said; it is pure speculation. I doubt he was overly polite, as I doubt they were overly polite. However; they did (according to the witness) remove their feet from the seats. It was only when it happened again did he attack.

You can harp on about the verbal assault; but it could have been a 'oh, **** off old man', as much as the initial contact could have been 'Get your ******* feet off those seats or else'.

:).
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Precisely. We don't have the facts - which is what I was getting to. Granted, i went a bloody long way about it. :D
However to instantly assume the children are innocent is wrong. We've only got one (heavily biased) side of this story.

I've seen what kids that age can do first hand.
 
You've seen what children at 8/9/10/11 can do? That warrants being assaulted by a grown man?

****. I've taught, I've worked with children; difficult ones on occasion. I've seen them be totally daft and mean, but I have never heard them say anything to me that has made me assault them, or really consider it.

I am assuming they are innocent because 1; putting your feet on a seat on a train does not under any circumstance warrant being assaulted. 2; calling someone a name, after they instigated a conflict, does not warrant them returning to assault you. He's a grown ******* man, he should have taken no notice, or told the sodding conductor. Not ******* punch them.
 
dowie said:
we need more blokes like him then perhaps we'd have fewer chavs sticking their dirty trainers on train seats and listening to music using their phone speakers
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I often think one of the things missing from my childhood was being punched by strangers for upsetting their sensibilities. I wonder on the better path my life could have taken.....
 
Xordium said:
They don't use and aren't allowed to use arm-locks though. The training strictly prohibits it.
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Totally aware of this, my girlfriend is a trainer of MAPA. Still useful to know in a situation where you found yourself on your own against someone trying to seriously hurt you as it allows you to defend yourself without strikes
 
Tummy said:
You've seen what children at 8/9/10/11 can do? That warrants being assaulted by a grown man?

****. I've taught, I've worked with children; difficult ones on occasion. I've seen them be totally daft and mean, but I have never heard them say anything to me that has made me assault them, or really consider it.

I am assuming they are innocent because 1; putting your feet on a seat on a train does not under any circumstance warrant being assaulted. 2; calling someone a name, after they instigated a conflict, does not warrant them returning to assault you. He's a grown ******* man, he should have taken no notice, or told the sodding conductor. Not ******* punch them.
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Look up Mary Bell. She killed 2 children when she was aged 11. I reference her because my step-dad was a police officer in the area where she committed the crimes. Look at what she did.

Then of course we have the killers of James Bulger who were 10 years old.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...even-accused-of-violent-crime-on-parents.html

For more stats.

Again you're assuming he instigated a conflict by asking them to get their feet off the seats. You've just complained about people assuming things in the German thread.

"It’s understood that the children had been sitting with their feet on the seats, and were approached by the man who asked them to put them down."

How is asking someone not to be an anti-social twerp instigating a fight?

"“They were being quite cocky,” he said.

Other reports too suggest that this was the case."

So there we have that they instigated it.

Also...keep in mind the dude was a pensioner! He's not exactly rambo.
 
Every child should be beaten into a state of perpetual fear then put through a military style respect course by the age of 11. THe course would include continual but random beating and sensory deprivation.

By the end of the course, all participants should be able to field strip an AK47 in the dark and their activation keywords should be deeply embedded.
 
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