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380X for a GTX 970?
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RX 480 without a doubt.
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Especially for dx 12
i play ARMA and wanna start playing some more demanding games, so sorry to add one more thing into the mix..
but for prices, the 1060 is in the same ballpark and is that better than the RX 480?
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Right now it performs better than the 480. BUT people say the 480 might gain an advantage when more titles come out that start using DX12. So . . decisions!
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Get the card that's best now. Why buy something in the hope it "might" get quicker later down the line? What if it doesn't? What if you upgrade before it ever comes good?
The 1060 is cooler, quieter and uses less power albeit it's more expensive. Please don't think of this as a one sided argument but I think too many people put faith in waiting for the next best thing... sometimes you need to get what's right for now.
The 1060 is cooler, quieter and uses less power albeit it's more expensive. Please don't think of this as a one sided argument but I think too many people put faith in waiting for the next best thing... sometimes you need to get what's right for now.
I don't think there's any question of it might get better. It will get better. Right now 1060gtx is 5% faster. In fact they will both get better but due to track records and experience I have a lot more faith in AMD cards aging with more grace.
Note the cheapest 480 is £30 cheaper than the cheapest 1060 but has 4gb to the 1060's 6gb of memory. You probably can unlock it to 8gb mind.
Note the cheapest 480 is £30 cheaper than the cheapest 1060 but has 4gb to the 1060's 6gb of memory. You probably can unlock it to 8gb mind.
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I had the GTX660 and the GTX960 - the HD7870 and R9 380 lasted longer. Its not hope - its happened with the last few Nvidia 60 series cards. The same as the GTX660TI and HD7950BE/R9 280. Even the same as the GTX760 and the HD7950BE/R9 280.
That is FOUR Nvidia 60 series cards which started off trading blows or doing slightly better than the AMD equivalent cards and consuming a bit less power,for them to be be beaten in the long run,plus that means performance/watt also has increased in the long run too.
People repeatedly said the same - the GTX660/GTX960/GTX660TI/GTX760 - less power,etc. Midrange Kepler performance has collapsed and midrange Maxwell performance is not looking any better.
As a midrange buyer,buying for NOW is not good enough - we all tend to upgrade when we hit a game we can't play and the graphical intensive games in 12 to 18 months time will be mostly DX12 and Vulkan titles.
By then Nvidia will have Volta out - Pascal was a stopgap uarch by them as it was a very late addition to the roadmaps.
Hardware enthusiasts on forums might upgrade every year - plenty of midrange buyers will be probably doing it every two to three years.
The RX480 is consistently doing better than a GTX1060 in those titles. The same happened with the GTX960 I had - no async updates in games have happened and not even any Vulkan ones yet.
Having helped enough people with midrange rigs - the power consumption argument is not really useful. How many people bought GTX460 cards over HD6850 despite them consuming much more power?? My GTX660 and GTX960 systems with a Xeon E3 1230 V2 are lucky to brake 200W at the wall. The HD7850 I had for a brief period was lucky to see 200W at the wall too. Even mates with AMD midrange cards are all consuming under 300W at the wall. My GTX960 can run between 70C to 80C - meh.
I remember series like the Nvidia 9000 series were certified for upto 105C!!
My mate had one of the bus powered 9800GT cards in a custom built ammo box SFF PC,which consistently was running past 90C and that card still works.
Also,the temperature of the chip is a combination of die size,Watts/mm2 dissapated and the cooler. My mates R9 390(not midrange) with an old overclocked FX6350(which probably also is not that efficient compared to modern chips) still runs fine off a Seasonic 520W PSU and that is meant to consume a decent amount of power yet runs cool.
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Another consideration - the PS4 Neo will have a Polaris 10 chip in it apparently. It appears to be the same running at 911MHZ.There is a reason the R9 290/390 series are doing well even now - both the PS4 and XBox One have GCN1.1 chips.
The GTX1060 is a nice card,but I think I would only consider it on a special deal,or if I was playing a game which it runs massively better in and it would be noticeable,or even a really tiny case(cards tend to be more compact).
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I would take a 1060 over a 480. Good benchmarks here
Essentially in dx11 titles the 1060 is getting plus 10-14% and in some (not all!) dx12 titles the 480 is gaining less than 5%.
I said a while back that an AMD card would generate more heat, draw more power and run slower than its competition but I did say it would be cheaper. Now admittedly I only based this 'speculation' on history but it's good to say AMD are at best consistent!
By all means sit there hoping it will get faster.
Essentially in dx11 titles the 1060 is getting plus 10-14% and in some (not all!) dx12 titles the 480 is gaining less than 5%.
I said a while back that an AMD card would generate more heat, draw more power and run slower than its competition but I did say it would be cheaper. Now admittedly I only based this 'speculation' on history but it's good to say AMD are at best consistent!
By all means sit there hoping it will get faster.
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The same as my GTX960 against the R9 285/R9 380 and my GTX660 against the HD7870. Know we see where they are...
Oh and didn't people like you make the same noise about the GTX660TI and GTX760 against the HD7950BE and R9 280??
All silent now - all saying Nvidia will make async updates and DX12 updates and Vulkan updates.
Now all quiet and when the GTX1060 performance starts loosing performance in another 12 months or so,you will be all quiet,since the GTX2060 and the next best thing will be out.
So can you tell me when my GTX960 will get its async updates and Vulkan updates??
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Plus if you really want to suggest a series of cards whose last 4 examples have lasted less longer than any of the AMD ones,then the OP might as well look at the AIB RX470 and AIB RX480 4GB,as you care less about longevity.
They should be not that much slower than a RX480 8GB,and be loads cheaper.
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Its a blooming joke - been building PCs for 12+ years and the Nvidia 60 series cards tended to be very solid in the past - the 6600GT,7600GT,9600GT,GTX260,GTX460,GTX560TI,etc.
Now the last 4 have tended to look good for the initial period and then not so good and people put their head in the sand saying they will be fine for the next two to three years. Yet,the last 4 releases have not painted that scenario.
With the PS4 Neo also have exactly the same Polaris 10 GPU as in the RX480 apparently,that is quite a few cross platform games that will be optimised on a downclocked RX480.
You mark my words - when you see Volta released next year,then you will see the first Nvidia card built with DX12 in mind,and of course people will still cling onto the hope,DX12 performance will be fine with a GTX1060(and maybe in the odd title it might look passable),but the GTX2060 will kick it into yesterday and like with all the people saying for the last year the GTX960 will get all these updates,it won't really happen,since the GTX2060 will be the new kid in town.
Just like when Nvidia forgot about the GTX960 when the GTX1060 became the new kid in town.
I expect Volta to be a decent set of GPU releases.
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