Well given you still haven't quite grasped it perhaps I should have done two roll eyes.
Oh you see I grasp it perfectly. You trying to insist a puppy is no more dangerous than a baby. You're just completely wrong.
3 Year Old Boy Dies After Dog Bite
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Oh you see I grasp it perfectly. You trying to insist a puppy is no more dangerous than a baby. You're just completely wrong.
So you clearly haven't grasped it then.hmm!
Ok, I'll play - you're right I haven't grasped it, explain it to me then.
Interesting concept. So if you are attributing responsibility to animals you must then consider them to be self-aware, have intelligence and able to form intent as humans do is that correct?
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I've been looking at the original post for this and I think Faustus in correct - you clearly appear to have missed the point Mr Faustus was trying to make.
erm, quite often criminals learn the behaviour from their parents, children that are molested growing up and doing the same..
parents, and dog owners, need to realise that they have a much greater influence over those they are responsible for, it's nature vs nurture.
However, if an animal is an ahole with the ability to do something like this, then again, wouldn't it be the owners to take action before it reached this point?
I wonder if it was a rescue Dog?
I have a great deal of admiration for people who take on Dogs that have been abused and neglected in the past, but at the same time, There is always the risk of them being a loose cannon, you never know what might set them off (Just like abused people really!)
A rescue dog should probably never be trusted with children or strangers.
I'm 35, my grandparents had rescue dogs, my parents had rescue dogs and we now have rescue dogs. I have a 4 year old and a 16 month old, they play with our dog, they know what is and isn't allowed and we have never had an issue.
I have fond memories as a child lying on the dogs beds with them, my kids do the same now.
You're right that they can sometimes have behavioural issues, but again, that's down to the owners to figure our before they are put in them in an environment with kids.
My current dog is, and has always been, scared of the dark. Another used to bark like crazy at the door, which I started to get him over it until we had a new post woman who decided putting treats through our door when he barked was a good idea.
Just because you have a very small subset of anecdotal evidence doesn't mean that nothing will ever happen. Surely letting especially a 16 month old play with a rescue dog carries some risk, it would be foolish to think otherwise.
I may have done and if I have I'll hold my hand up - still waiting on the explanation though.
Gee, what a compassionate person you are. It's not always the dogs fault. Destroyed? Killed. Thats the word you're looking for. I seriously hope you don't have pets.
Actually to be fair to him the common word used when a dangerous animal is put down is 'destroyed' for some reason.
Re: your suggestion - couldn't we just sort of turn the penalties around re: animals and humans. I'm pretty sure that would quickly cure the problem completely.
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Is it you who owned this dog? Sure sounds like you're defending it and the owners.
You can never completely trust a dog, however wonderful and lovely your dog may be, there's always a tiny chance it could turn and put a child at great risk.
Sadly it's often the owners who have a lack of control, or act irresponsibly (for example leaving the dog alone with a baby).
Sadly it's often the owners who have a lack of control, or act irresponsibly (for example leaving the dog alone with a baby).
Well i shouldnt say theyre on the same level as humans but yes clearly animals have the inteligence to form intent.
Otherwise how the heck do you think they form organised groups to hunt and use tactics.
Dogs aren't some random pure reaction driven machine they have a level of inteligence and reasoning.
Monkeys even wage war.
I didagree with the nipping thing.
I play eith my friends pomerainian all the time.
Including letting it chase/bite my hands its never once bitten me with any force I'd consider a risk.
(Heck ive bitten people harder in bed
)But he is very well trained say no/stop/fown an no matter how excitable he is he will just drop and stare at you.
Wouldnt trust him anywhere near a baby/child though same as any dog.
In the park when kids want to play with him cause hes so fluffy an cute ill always hold him.
You never know whats going on inside the mind of a child or a dog and neither use reasoning close to yours
That's still a hell of a leap to then hold an animal responsible. A child isn't legally responsible in the eyes of the law in the UK until they are ten years old yet you want to make a dog responsible????
We kill the dog, ergo we clearly see it as responsible.
sorry but some animals are aggressive and dangerous, saying the animals actions are purely 100% down to humans is so laughable it's insane.