Brexit thread - what happens next

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Talking to a friend who didnt vote but told me they "won".
Apparently we have signed trade deals with Australia.
We will tighten the boarders and it will stop terrorism.
If there is terrorism then it will unite us (other countries) with a common enemy....Surely we are united now?

I had to get up and walk away. I consider this person relatively smart.....Painful.
 
Pfft accountability.

The average voter in the referendum just liked the buzzword of sovereignty. How many people who vote for their MP now even bother looking past the blue or red party tie?

If the MP has enough favours owed to them, then they will find another cushty position and be replaced by some other person that plays to the party's tune. If not, they will just be replaced.
 
b0redj0rd said:
rolleyes.

If you disagree with (for example) Merkles asylum policy - How do we 'vote her out'? Someone can call the shots for the whole of the EU and the member states can do nothing but go along with it.

Unless of course, you decide your own policy - meaning more accountability (less 'oh the EU told us to do that' excuses) for MP's here in the UK.
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rolleyes.

How are MPs now more accountable?
 
platypus said:
They're accountable for this now? What I'm getting at is what will change for johnloo.

Does he know which minister is relevant for overseeing this particular commodity market? Does he care? Or does he like the soundbite?
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No they're not - the EU is responsible for policing the UK's international trade, not the UK.

Freakbro said:
All this Sovereignty and Accountability is such guff.....brilliant in your idealised view of how it should work....but in reality, what is going to change....nothing. The majority of the public haven't even heard of most of the Cabinet, let alone can vote for their removal....since they can only vote for their own local politician.

What do you expect the population to do that is going to hold this minister to account?
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It's not guff at all - it's fundamental to the effective governance of an organisation. You couldn't have a FTSE100 CEO who was responsible for only two-thirds of his company's performance - it wouldn't go down well if he said "heh - sorry we've just made a record loss while our competitors made record profits, but it's not my fault - it's our auditors".
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Modern society

Hear a dubious sound bite, listen whilst not paying full attention, get the wrong end of the stick, quote it incorrectly as truth

Its the facebook blueprint ;)
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Australia is the promised land.....
"They don't have terrorism"
...Yes they do I can google and show you at least 3 recent......
"You should know them off the top of your head if they were bad....."

WHAT?!

How did it come to this.
 
scorza said:
No they're not - the EU is responsible for policing the UK's international trade, not the UK.
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And to go back to the particular commodity to which you're alluding; it was the UK government that voted against EU making moves to penalise lesser duty to stop the Chinese dumping steel, wasn't it.

So remind me who's acting in our best interests here?

What exactly does our MPs being "more accountable" (in your words, not mine) mean in regards to this? Do you think post-EU they're suddenly going to change their minds and work to protect the UK steel industry? They're as accountable then as they were now. People didn't vote them out when they acted against UK Steel interests, why would they do so now?

Unless you think it's because they can no longer pretend it's the big bad EUs fault?
 
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DiCe! said:
Australia is the promised land.....
"They don't have terrorism"
...Yes they do I can google and show you at least 3 recent......
"You should know them off the top of your head if they were bad....."

WHAT?!

How did it come to this.
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I am not sure what exactly would be the targets of a trade deal with Aus anyway.
My partner is an Aus so I have a few inside bits of knowledge

They are in fact quite different to the UK, share a massive heritage and share beliefs for sure, but their economy and lifestyle isnt so similar to the UK

I should imagine the tarrif they would place on Marmite would make the export almost impossible and we would react the same way, pricing Vegemite off the shelves ;)
 
platypus said:
And to go back to the particular commodity to which you're alluding; it was the UK government that voted against EU making moves to penalise lesser duty to stop the Chinese dumping steel, wasn't it.

So remind me who's acting in our best interests here?

What exactly does our MPs being "more accountable" (in your words, not mine) mean in regards to this? Do you think post-EU they're suddenly going to change their minds and work to protect the UK steel industry?
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Wait, what!! ;)

Oh the same Chinese who we were and are actively courting. No No they are working against us!!!
Freedom!!
Pass the tin foil old chap ;)
 
platypus said:
How are MPs now more accountable?
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Quite worrying though, we "take our country back" and potentially hand it over to the idjits to run without the Eu to act as parents and stop them spending all the inheritance on sweets and football stickers.

Oh well the sweets will be nice till everyone feels sick and maybe we cau use the football stickers as currency one the pound has sunk without trace ;)
 
Mr Jack said:
Interesting polling on what kind of deal people want. Not much support for an EFTA arrangement, and most people think it wouldn't be honouring the referendum result; but it's still seen as more positive than a straight leave. A Canada-style outcome has the most support.

I wonder whether that will change as things progress?
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A Canada style outcome excludes services. This is the area the UK is most concerned about so I cannot see it happening.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Can you quote some examples of this, showing some where its actually against what we would in the UK want anyway

I can think of only one from recent memory personally but we will see if you quote that one before I spill the beans
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When Gove was campaigning for BREXIT he was quoted saying that the UK had 'no choice' but to let in EU citizens who were convicted criminals. He said there was nothing we could do to stop people coming here from the EU with criminal records.

Another that springs to mind is blame being laid at the feet of the EU for (some) flooding seen in the UK last winter because of regulations about when/where we are allowed to dredge.

I remember many headlines over the last 20 years that alluded to issues we weren't able to resolve ourselves due to EU regulations, however how many of those were sensationalist who knows?
 
b0redj0rd said:
I remember many headlines over the last 20 years that alluded to issues we weren't able to resolve ourselves due to EU regulations, however how many of those were sensationalist who knows?
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Anybody who bothered to do a bit of fact checking rather than just remembering the headline?
 
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