except they where all 1 time and time limited.
they gave concessions designed to bribe one to two government terms worth
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except they where all 1 time and time limited.
they gave concessions designed to bribe one to two government terms worth
The corner stone of the Remain campaign was 'half hearted'? Anyone would think DC wanted to lose
Half-hearted? We ended up voting to leave the EU. How could we have been more committed?
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They are concessions none the less which at least shows willing of other member states.
The corner stone of the Remain campaign was 'half hearted'? Anyone would think DC wanted to lose
It's not about any particular government, it's about the UK always being on the fringes of the EU, getting involved but never committing fully. That context means the political capital you have for negotiations isn't what it could be.
Leaving a club isn't the same as reforming it.
We tried. They gave us nothing so we are leaving
Does it show willing to cut us a meaningless time-limited deal? I think it shows the unwillingness of the member states to do anything meaningful to keep us in the EU
not really, they're a temporary one time deal to smooth over a rough patch then its back to how things were.
not a concession at all.
No but if you can't reform it then you leave. It's not like the referendum was a surprise to the EU, they had the opportunity to give Cameron some meaningful reform, but instead they gave him thin gruel in what was a massive miscalculation by European politicians.
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The Fail and the Express ...... but, but I suppose its what Diana would have wanted.
The Fail and the Express ...... but, but I suppose its what Diana would have wanted.
That tedious media snobbery may have worked to deflect and derail duscussion before but now even The Guardian has gotten over referendum grief.
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Not really snobbery, those "papers" are hate peddling rags.
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Apart from the small far right like the AfD the article shows little support for a Referendum/or wanting to leave the EU
Doesnt mean the content is wrong - dispute with evidence.
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Morally wrong? Yes.
Facts and experts you say?
Do you have anything original to add or are you limited to just repeating the same 'jokes' that have been used to better effect by others hundreds of times in this thread alone?
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The figures for some other EU countries wanting a referendum seem fairly similar to those we saw over here. They couldn't resist saying those who wanted to leave were ill educated, I am sure you are hoping we thickos are not contaminating the minds of morons elsewhere in the EU?
Calling the AfD small, and far right is probably doing them a disservice. They grow stronger by the month and by every report of atrocities carried out by those of ethnic origin. As does Marine in France. Cracks are appearing all over the place, and soon the house of cards will fall!
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Which has got nothing to do with the EU. You know this right? I know you have alluded to being a 'thicko' who voted leave but this is really simple stuff.
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What tripe. If they were translated and read out to the happy campers of Calais do you think they would pack up and look elsewhere than Britain to illegally enter? They aren't coming for love, but filthy lucre.... Some papers acknowledge the fact, other have a rightful opinion they are coming across the world as nowhere nearer their starting coordinates is "safe".
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Because i think most of the Eu (members leaders and EU leadership itself) didnt believe we would actually vote to leave. They had to give something because Dc said he would go and negotiate and come back with something to vote on. Quite late on the polls seemed to swing, but not to a clear win for eithere side.
Look at the reaction of the markets as the vote closed. The pound jumped, a big collective sigh of relief went out, the nonsense was over, normal service would be resumed, then it became apparent that was in fact wrong and hte hsort period of uncertainty would be replaced with a new longer one.
I dont believe he could have come back with anything that would have made a difference to the vote realistically. The liers peddling £350m would have stuck to that, the fear factor of the herd of immigrants heading for the UK, walking dead zombie style would still have been peddled.
Dc took a gamble and it backfired spectacularly. I bet if we could wind the clock back 6 months you would see a different negotiation taking place right now. At the end of the day the members are in charge of the EU not vice versa, its just that the Eu has been carried away with its own agenda and the member states havent had cause to stop that. UK may well brexit, I highly doubt you will see other states exit, but for sure there is going to have to be some climb down by the EU at some point, take the last budget round for an example of how they had to relent, it just takes the membership to go "err no thats not how its going to work"
Im still not convinced the tories really want to do it. The government in charge is going to get some massive blame over the whole thing if its less than a resounding success.
Whole thing is one serious unmitigated **** up to be honest.
I just hope that no matter what happens we manage to get some cohesion back between the sides, if you look at the scottish indy though it appears once you open the can people dont forget and dont see it as over.
I mean 5-10 years on, if there was a full blown brexit, and the UK wasnt seeming to do very well its very easy to see a highly EU centric party forming, the polar opposite of UKIP, with one target to seek re-entry to the EU. There is nothing to stop that happening, and with the way politics has gone with a general distrust of the establishment (ie Lab/Con/Libdem) then they could easily force the mandate of a shall we join the Eu vote.
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Do we have a pro Brexit, pro scottish indy on this thread by any chance?
Would be a very interesting combination of views
Would be a very interesting combination of views
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