What are people's thoughts on the burkini ban in France?

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Angilion said:
I've just read through this thread and the thing that has struck me most strongly is the extreme hostility shown against Arazi for not conforming and the total lack of restraint shown by people rushing to silence them.

There has been some reasonable opposition to his position, but false accusation and defamation of character has been very common. This example from richthomuk is less obviously extreme and aggressive than some, but its relative subtlety might make it more effective.

Perhaps the people who've posted against Arazi are secretly trying to support them by being so blatantly nasty and dishonest towards them. But probably not.
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lol funniest post yet
 
Angilion said:
I've just read through this thread and the thing that has struck me most strongly is the extreme hostility shown against Arazi for not conforming and the total lack of restraint shown by people rushing to silence them.

There has been some reasonable opposition to his position, but false accusation and defamation of character has been very common. This example from richthomuk is less obviously extreme and aggressive than some, but its relative subtlety might make it more effective.

Perhaps the people who've posted against Arazi are secretly trying to support them by being so blatantly nasty and dishonest towards them. But probably not.
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Thanks.
 
With the recent attacks,Cant blame them wanting them to be banned.

As much as i do believe not all those that follow Islam have terrorist intentions,Its clearly not a religion of peace..you can tell this in certain areas of the UK where if you go there you are told its a Muslim area and you are not welcome.

The world imo would be a much better place if all religions were to be gone,A load of nonsense if you ask me.
 
dacads said:
People can wear what they like
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There are almost always restrictions on clothing in a society, from social pressure and from the law.

You could argue that there shouldn't be, but not that there aren't. Arguing that there shouldn't be is a moot point because while it would be possible to remove legal restrictions on clothing it wouldn't be possible to remove social pressure. That's particularly true when it comes to clothing connected to a religion, particularly a religion which is very power-hungry and micro-managing even in comparison to other religions. Quite a feat considering that being power-hungry and micro-managing is the main purpose of most if not all religions.

Wearing symbols of a conquering ideology often doesn't go down well with people who are under threat of conquest by that ideology.
 
Angilion said:
There are almost always restrictions on clothing in a society, from social pressure and from the law.

You could argue that there shouldn't be, but not that there aren't. Arguing that there shouldn't be is a moot point because while it would be possible to remove legal restrictions on clothing it wouldn't be possible to remove social pressure. That's particularly true when it comes to clothing connected to a religion, particularly a religion which is very power-hungry and micro-managing even in comparison to other religions. Quite a feat considering that being power-hungry and micro-managing is the main purpose of most if not all religions.

Wearing symbols of a conquering ideology often doesn't go down well with people who are under threat of conquest by that ideology.
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I still dont think how anyone has said what is offensive about a burkini...
 
robgmun said:
It's well known a surprisingly high percentage of muslims support extremest views.
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So what percentage of the Muslims in France are extremists?

Still waiting to see how taking action against French Muslims is justified because a large number of Muslims in France have done something.
 
Forcing women women to dress a certain way is wrong whether the edict comes from an imam or a mayor. It was heartbreaking to see those photos of an old woman being told to undress by armed police officers.
 
muon said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07r1tc5/the-chronicles-of-nadiya-episode-1

Here you go. Watch from 18:00 onwards.

Short version is that her belief is that is a sign of practicing your religion.

Whether she is right or wrong isn't up to you, me or anyone else to tell her in a free society like in the UK and France as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.
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Interesting to see no response from Arazi.

So how would you explain preventing her from covering her hair?

What exactly would you tell the police to do if she refuses?
 
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billysielu said:
It's all about making an environment where they don't want to live. So they leave / don't come. There are e-petitions to that effect here too.
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Then why disguise the Islamophobia behind weak rationalisations that obviously target the religion.

These people should just petition to ban everything to do with Islam and realise how out of touch with society they are.
 
Arazi said:
Why would a Muslim woman wear one of these to a beach especially if it is scorching? Or why a Muslim woman would walk around a city in the full Burka, face covered etc in 30+ heat?
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Probably for the same reason you'll see me on a beach with a full sleeve thin t-shirt and one of those foreign legion hats - they keep me cool. You then have the added benefit that when you get in the water and wet them they keep you even cooler for longer.
I love the sun but I don't like the rays hitting me.
 
muon said:
Then why disguise the Islamophobia behind weak rationalisations that obviously target the religion.

These people should just petition to ban everything to do with Islam and realise how out of touch with society they are.
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They won't need to.
 
muon said:
These people should just petition to ban everything to do with Islam and realise how out of touch with society they are.
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i think you'll find such a proposition wouldnt actually be "out of touch" with vast swaths of society
 
Tefal said:
i think you'll find such a proposition wouldnt actually be "out of touch" with vast swaths of society
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Banning a religion practiced by millions of a country's own population would basically require fascist views to suddenly become mainstream.

Something which quite simply won't be even close to happening.

The likes of the BNP might have had a considerable following, but they still remained a very small minority.
 
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