It is heartbreaking to see so many doctors giving up. The NHS is failing, just as the government have always planned. For the first time, a few docs have told me they hope it fails ASAP, the government can then privatise, just to restore a level of service that won't cause harm to patients. Because the current situation, following cut after cut (and huge cuts in a few months!) is most definitely harming patients. I've heard and seen some horrible, horrible things recently.
Poll: Doctors strike tomorrow, do you support it?
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I'm glad I got out when I did. I do field a lot of calls from people who I used to work with and they largely are bailing. Can't say I blame them. I wouldn't have stood around for this.
People are ***** at the end of the day they won't think twice to pay a solicitor 100 quid per hour to sort out their mortgage but they balk at paying above 10 quid per hour to look after the parents that raised them, sacrificed so much for them, etc.
The public deserves what they get. My wife and I have certainly changed the way we've practiced over the years - if you have the cash to pay we will damn well ask for the pay we think you are willing to part with to care for your nearest and dearest. It funds those that can't pay and it protects my own because sad though it is no matter how much good you do in your life you'll get no thanks, reward, or help.
People are ***** at the end of the day they won't think twice to pay a solicitor 100 quid per hour to sort out their mortgage but they balk at paying above 10 quid per hour to look after the parents that raised them, sacrificed so much for them, etc.
The public deserves what they get. My wife and I have certainly changed the way we've practiced over the years - if you have the cash to pay we will damn well ask for the pay we think you are willing to part with to care for your nearest and dearest. It funds those that can't pay and it protects my own because sad though it is no matter how much good you do in your life you'll get no thanks, reward, or help.
Where did i say that will fix all the problems? It will stop the problem of cancelled appointments due to strikes
. The previous round of strikes led to a cancelled appointment and a delayed diagnosis of my partners skin cancer.Where did i say that will fix all the problems? It will stop the problem of cancelled appointments due to strikes
The current situation is so, so much worse for the long term. There are countless diagnoses being missed because of the cuts and lack of staff. I empathise and understand that being directly affected by the strikes is terrible. But without strikes, without an attempt to begin to make the NHS a better, safer place to work and retain the workforce - countless more will come to harm.
Where did i say that will fix all the problems? It will stop the problem of cancelled appointments due to strikes
It's awful that your partner's skin cancer diagnosis was delayed. However I am deeply concerned that if we roll over and accept these terms the whole system will start to implode as the government will go after every group of NHS employees. Dermatology appointments (along with other profitable specialties) will be farmed out to "any willing provider" for cash and the public will be required to pay for health insurance, front the cost of an appointment or face a much longer wait for an appointment in a public healthcare system which is not bound by existing targets to save money. The government it seems have already started this process by ignoring targets so trusts can avoid fines.
http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/fin...ped-in-bid-to-improve-finances-11364074838052
What would be good is if they could keep these targets in place and scrap the NHS budget cuts instead.
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Do your time. Get out to another country or when you get the opportunity and someone is willing to ask for you personally don't be afraid to ask for what other professions do. Simple fact - from personal experience if you stay over for the little prince you will get a hearty thank you - if you go around to sort out bloods at their house and look at some scans you can ask for thousands and it will be given without a second thought. Don't be ashamed to ask for what you are worth. Bankers/lawyers etc have no problem doing thing and neither should you. Pay the nurses well though when you hire them as they are double shafted by having the most capitulating and useless union ever.
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Where did i say that will fix all the problems? It will stop the problem of cancelled appointments due to strikes
It may help stop appointments being cancelled in the short term, but who's going to be seeing you in 5-10 years time when you've stripped away protection and employment rights from doctors and you can't find anyone to do the job? You'll have to pay to go private if you can afford it.
I wouldn't recommend it to prospective medics now, which is sad because I still love my job but when the NHS goes under its going to be an epic mess.
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Where did i say that will fix all the problems? It will stop the problem of cancelled appointments due to strikes
How convenient to have anecdotal evidence to support your argument.
Where did i say that will fix all the problems? It will stop the problem of cancelled appointments due to strikes
Will it? If people have such low morale that they feel their only option is to strike then I don't think making it illegal for them to strike is going to change their opinions. You might end up with appointments cancelled due to unusually high levels of sickness instead.
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Heaven forbid - the doctors might start actually going home on time instead!
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Just doing that would I suspect have a much bigger and worse affect on patient care than the strikes, and the government can't exactly come out and state that staff gave to stay on past their contracted hours.
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It'd mildly disruptive but nothing like what cancelling a week a month of elective work will be like.
Also it takes us in a direction nurses have gone in the last few years, shift workers who time their breaks, are paid by the hour rather than a wage, told they have to sleep in their cars in the car park of they want to nap on their break - I hate we're already well into that style of working and don't want to go further.
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But surely you can differentiate between a service engaged once every 5 years for a few hours versus a round the clock service?
I see my GP about once every 5 years and a specialist even less than that so I am glad you agree we can increase doctors pay to the equivalent professions! A nice hefty pay increase coming for all doctors thanks to the logic demonstrated by SpeedFreak.
to be fair you said "10 pound an hour to look after nthe parents that raised them" that sounds like a care worker not a gp or specialist.
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What are you on about? You referred to care works, somewhat different to that of a GP. And my point was that for infrequent specialist knowledge I would expect to pay a healthy price for it.
That wasn't my impression. Tell me more!
Ok that's great then you don't mind paying 100 quid an hour to urology nurses and intensive care nurses and A+E nurses who are only being paid low band 5 (and lower) rates because they are covering service shortfall. I am sure they'll be delighted by that.
I note you presumed specialist meant doctor and care somehow implied a band 3 or nurse. Interesting how people make that mistake when they don't have a clue about the system. I also note you appeared to have no problem paying prohibitively high costs to see a GP. I think there is a fundamental problem with that but each to their own - which is what it often boils down to with these things.
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If you want my honest view, nurses are underpaid relative to doctors.
You have also misunderstood my use of the word specialist, this was not isolated to the medical profession. My point was that at times short spells of knowledge are required from highly skilled individuals.