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Repeating what i put as you have no real argument against it.......typical cyclist attitude.
West Midlands Police target drivers too close to cyclists
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Repeating what i put as you have no real argument against it.......typical cyclist attitude.
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Surprisingly this morning on the way to work ~7am, there was a police car and ambulance on Camp Hill Circus roundabout, a small van a few feet in front of them and police officers picking up a bike from the road.
Hasn't really convinced me to cycle to work.
Hasn't really convinced me to cycle to work.
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Was here today heading up the hill when a cyclist comes down the road on the left and literally cuts out in front of me to go around the island.
Had I not been aware of the speed he was coming down the hill and slowed down in anticipation id of run him over without question or he'd of gone into the side of my car (to be honest I was more concerned he may damage the car than for his well being )
Sometimes they don't do themselves any favors.
Was here today heading up the hill when a cyclist comes down the road on the left and literally cuts out in front of me to go around the island.
Had I not been aware of the speed he was coming down the hill and slowed down in anticipation id of run him over without question or he'd of gone into the side of my car (to be honest I was more concerned he may damage the car than for his well being
)Sometimes they don't do themselves any favors.
You braked? I never brake in that situation when I'm on my own in the car, the look on their faces is priceless.
Grudas, I assume the videos you posted were not your own ?
viewing these the cyclist was not looking over his shoulder regularly to see what was coming up on him (red car/white van) and react faster before being cut-up - daft !
I do not cycle on city roads as busy as this, so maybe you have to cycle differently, but his behaviour did not seem very defensive/pro-active
viewing these the cyclist was not looking over his shoulder regularly to see what was coming up on him (red car/white van) and react faster before being cut-up - daft !
I do not cycle on city roads as busy as this, so maybe you have to cycle differently, but his behaviour did not seem very defensive/pro-active
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So cyclists should ride looking backwards the majority of the time so they can take evasive action for what should, if drivers had a bit of sense about them, not be necessary. OK.
I'm pretty sure grudas uses a bar mounted camera, so you wouldn't see his head turning.
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The early shots/19s on the first video showed him looking back and he did not repeat that - he could have had a mirror he was glancing at, but he would have reacted faster.
Seemed a reasonably powerful cyclist and in the first film in the rain (head's down blinkered straight ahead !) would he have been able to stop if someone walked out in front too.
Yes the motorist indefensibly have underestimated his speed.
As a motorist too I use the mirror see and prevent cut-up incidents, with other cars before they happen; but as a cyclist need to be more proactive given vulnerability.
Seemed a reasonably powerful cyclist and in the first film in the rain (head's down blinkered straight ahead !) would he have been able to stop if someone walked out in front too.
Yes the motorist indefensibly have underestimated his speed.
As a motorist too I use the mirror see and prevent cut-up incidents, with other cars before they happen; but as a cyclist need to be more proactive given vulnerability.
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I seem to remember he posted those in another thread and said something like "This is what I have to put up with on a daily basis" but I suppose it could still be other peoples videos.
All my 3 bikes have a mirror and I can honestly say it is one of the greatest aids to road safety. The times I've been able to slow down because I can see a car behind me going to do a left hook. I've had at least 4 incidents where cars have left hooked me and took me with them but because I saw them coming in my mirror I was able to turn with them and lessen the impact causing only damage to their cars.
I bet I glance down at my mirror at least every 15 seconds but if I turned around that much I'd have a sore back/neck. Like any motorised vehicle I think mirrors should be law on cycles.
yes those are my videos, the first video is from my helmet camera the 2nd was from my handlebars.
I honestly can't remember if I looked back but I assume I did, it is second nature to me because I cycle to work every day in central London and do on average around 4-5k miles/year commuting on a bike and similar amount driving.(talking about the 2nd video)
even if I looked back on the first video all I would've seen is a driver in a ahead only lane coming towards me, no matter how many times I would've looked I'd have no idea that he's going to cut across my lane right in front of me.
I was in the middle of the lane, correct lane, doing 27mph(30mph zone) and the van driver next to me had no issues over-taking.
being London it is super busy and always full of surprises so looking behind when I move around between lanes, change my direction etc is very normal but when I'm in the middle of the lane, doing the speed limit the expectation of a driver cutting across my path from another lane is next to 0.
IMO the driver was 100% to blame and there was nothing I could've done to prevent it other than what I did, slam on my brakes enough to not lock them up in wet.
Fair do's.
Agree drivers were 100% to blame.
I think they probably do under-estimate your speed , so that could be a delta risk.
What do you do in London to maximise visibility/high-contrast for hand signals ?
(in the second red-car case, if I had some heads-up time of the drivers closing speed, I might have hand signalled to assert I was going straight on.
In a more built up area - I used to use fluoro wrist-bands)
EDIT: About mirrors : Have not tried them as a cyclist, and think that an attempt at eye contact, glancing over the shoulder is preferable(also needed); as a motorist a glance from a cyclist immediately says I am alert and catches my attention, so they get an edge.
Agree drivers were 100% to blame.
I think they probably do under-estimate your speed , so that could be a delta risk.
What do you do in London to maximise visibility/high-contrast for hand signals ?
(in the second red-car case, if I had some heads-up time of the drivers closing speed, I might have hand signalled to assert I was going straight on.
In a more built up area - I used to use fluoro wrist-bands)
EDIT: About mirrors : Have not tried them as a cyclist, and think that an attempt at eye contact, glancing over the shoulder is preferable(also needed); as a motorist a glance from a cyclist immediately says I am alert and catches my attention, so they get an edge.
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I have a camera on my bike toowhat annoys me is people who do it purpose to "teach me lesson" the reality is that a single mistake, single move can kill me, now that boils my blood.
when you get this -;
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What nonsense. If a cyclist is riding in the middle of the lane ("the primary position"), there's generally a reason for it. He might be overtaking a slower moving vehicle, he might be turning right, or there might be a multitude of other reasons. He's putting himself in a safer position. Have a read of this for more information. Cars in general don't have any more right of way than cyclists. If you can't get past them then you wait. Driving and using the roads is a cooperative activity, not one to be dealt with by pure selfishness.
Also, half a meter from the kerb doesn't get you very far past drain covers, pot holes, and general crap. And there's no law that says you have to use the cycle lane.
I hope you don't put your money where your mouth is when it comes to dealing with cyclists when you drive.
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I like cyclists, they make it so there are less cars on the road
I just do wish if they use the road, that they all followed the rules like the rest of us. I often see them going through reds, ignoring crossings, suddenly mounting the pavement to bypass junctions entirely, and not signaling.
Other than the signalling, did any of that affect you or your journey in any meaningful way?
Have you seen what U.K. roads are like 50cm from the kerb? Have you seen what the cycle lanes are like? They're atrocious.
Article is written by a clueless moron who has no clue how cyclist and cars should behave together in traffic.
''it’s recommended that cyclists take the lane when passing a side road on their left. This enhances their visibility, especially for drivers approaching the junction from the side road who, quite naturally, will be looking in the middle of the lane for other motor vehicles.''
This is what I'm being taught on a motorbike, but cyclists, no, it only creates friction between them (slow traffic like mopeds or pushbikes) and fast traffic (cars and motorbikes).
Indeed, but that doesn't neglect the rule to keep to the right as much as possible (if UK doesn't have a law to keep traffic keeping left as much as possible, then that's idiotic imo).
Also, if you want to overtake, you have to yield to any traffic already overtaking you, that means that if a car is overtaking you he has the right of way, not you... Which applies to grudas's 2nd vid.
Idiotic people who make the law in the UK then. Over here, the general law is ''keep to the right as much as possible'' (regardless of cycle lanes or not). Which applies to both roads with and without cycle lanes.
Not doing so is hindering other traffic and a hefty fine (though rarely written out).
With cycle lanes if there's a solid white line like here on the left: https://goo.gl/maps/smrz8e3Pyun
Then cyclists aren't allowed over it, even for overtaking other cyclists, but required to stay in it.
Here: https://goo.gl/maps/EvyEUidy7Y62 cyclists can cross the dashed line for overtaking, but otherwise keep to the right, also obviously have to yield if there are cars behind them, as they are the one wanting to make a special maneuver, while the cars are in their own lane... If they want to turn left on the lights they do so in front of the front car, not before...
Yes I do, when I cycle or on the moped I keep to the right, so cars can easily overtake me without problems.
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There are far fewer proper provisions for cyclists here in the UK than there are in The Netherlands, so I suggest you try driving over here for a while before berating how our road system works. You'll have to learn to be more patient, for one.