FARC peacedeal overridden by a 51% public vote against, thought?

Boycey0211 · 3 Oct 2016 at 00:11

Well well well, what a coincidence percentage wise.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-37537252

To sum it up, the Columbian government struck what seems to be a peace deal between the FARC guerrillas and the Colombian government in a war lasting 52 years.

To be ratified, it had to be put to public vote, and the public voted 50.24% against a peace treaty.

So what say you GD? Should the majority be counted and the loss of lives resumed, or what would the alternative be?

Personally I think they're daft not taking the peace treaty, enough lives have been lost.

Should 50.24% be counted as enough of a majority and the other side be told to deal with it?

Joking aside this isn't brexit, people are dying becuase of this.

Rroff · 3 Oct 2016 at 00:24

It is an interesting one - on the one hand FARC would get off relatively lightly but how do you reconcile that with future long term peace.

Caged · 3 Oct 2016 at 00:26

On the face of it, it seems like the people of Columbia consider punishing/not rewarding FARC to be more important than ending an armed conflict, which is a bit of a backward-looking position to take.

Boycey0211 · 3 Oct 2016 at 00:32

Rroff said:
It is an interesting one - on the one hand FARC would get off relatively lightly but how do you reconcile that with future long term peace.

Presumably they're trying to take the political line much like the IRA of old, who knows how well it would work out though.

Caged said:
On the face of it, it seems like the people of Columbia consider punishing/not rewarding FARC to be more important than ending an armed conflict, which is a bit of a backward-looking position to take.

What, you mean voting to bite your nose off to spite your face? No nation would do that.

dowie · 3 Oct 2016 at 00:37

lol is someone about to mention Brexit?

Tosno · 3 Oct 2016 at 00:44

Democracy! :cool:

Boycey0211 · 3 Oct 2016 at 00:49

dowie said:
lol is someone about to mention Brexit?

No, because people are actually losing their lives over this issue so tbh it's far more of an issue in my books.

Tosno said:
Democracy!

Is it still cool when people get killed? Surely that 0.3% the other way would be better?

Caged · 3 Oct 2016 at 00:53

It will be interesting to see the results broken down by areas affected by the fighting. Like whether the people voting not to recognise FARC as a political party and with a rager for seeing justice done are actually affected by the violence or not.

Tosno · 3 Oct 2016 at 00:54

If not for democracy you will have Russia.

Democracy where 50.1%, 50.24% or 51.9% wins or Putin's Russia, you decide my dear Boycey

"Because those who want another vote in Parliament are not standing up for democracy, they are trying to subvert it." - May

D3K · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:02

I like your sig. Belief in the past tense.

Caged · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:03

But about Columbia...

Boycey0211 · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:04

Tosno said:
If not for democracy you will have Russia.

Democracy where 50.1%, 50.24% or 51.9% wins or Putin's Russia, you decide my dear Boycey

"Because those who want another vote in Parliament are not standing up for democracy, they are trying to subvert it." - May

Well that's a very fair comment that I didn't expect tbh! Very true quote too. Doesn't answer the question whether that 0.24% is enough to decide life or death though.

Glaucus · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:05

Tosno said:
If not for democracy you will have Russia.

Democracy where 50.1%, 50.24% or 51.9% wins or Putin's Russia, you decide my dear Boycey

"Because those who want another vote in Parliament are not standing up for democracy, they are trying to subvert it." - May

wow what an uneducated statement.
which is so far from facts its stupid.

Direct democracy is not the only democracy, nore should it be regarded as the best democracy.

you might want to read up and learn what parliamentary democracy is, and what most sensible countries have.

you are also saying no one should ever be able to change their minds. Therefore we shouldn't be able to leave as we voted in.

Tosno · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:20

Glaucus said:
wow what an uneducated statement.
which is so far from facts its stupid.

Direct democracy is not the only democracy, nore should it be regarded as the best democracy.

you might want to read up and learn what parliamentary democracy is, and what most sensible countries have.

you are also saying no one should ever be able to change their minds. Therefore we shouldn't be able to leave as we voted in.

What an unclever reply. You do not need an education to make a statement nor is a statement more valid with one.

As defined by the Oxford English Dictionary. Democracy is government by the people; especially : rule of the majority.

50.24% is a majority and the will of the majority should be upheld, as it will be in Colombia, Britain and Hungary. If you don't like it, go to Russia.

Glaucus · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:21

just lol, do you even read what you type.

as you seem unable to use google.
I'll point you in the right direction

Direct democracy is similar to, but distinct from, representative democracy, in which people vote for representatives who then enact policy initiatives

All modern Western-style democracies are types of representative democracies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy

notice how both are democracies.

so no your fallacy and errors, does not mean if you dislike direct democracy you must like Russia.

Tosno · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:46

Brexit then Colombia. Elite self-assurance hasn't done well against Representative and Direct democracy this year. Will we learn in time to save America from Trump?
Notice how both results are despised, with attempts to subvert it. Therefore democracy is despised.

Amp34 · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:47

Rroff said:
It is an interesting one - on the one hand FARC would get off relatively lightly but how do you reconcile that with future long term peace.

In situations like this, and places like Syria it's better to just put things behind you if it means peace in the future. Yes people (on both sides) did horrible things, but trying to bring all those to justice will mean no one will give up their positions. Why would you if you know doing so will probably guarantee a long jail sentence or death?

Caged · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:49

That and the inability for people to separate justice from revenge

Amp34 · 3 Oct 2016 at 01:50

Tosno said:
Brexit then Colombia. Elite self-assurance hasn't done well against Representative and Direct democracy this year. Will we learn in time to save America from Trump?
Notice how both results are despised, with attempts to subvert it. Therefore democracy is despised.

Ironically in Columbia it's not the elite that are losing their lives...

RaohNS · 3 Oct 2016 at 08:32

Glaucus said:
wow what an uneducated statement.
which is so far from facts its stupid.

Direct democracy is not the only democracy, nore should it be regarded as the best democracy.

you might want to read up and learn what parliamentary democracy is, and what most sensible countries have.

you are also saying no one should ever be able to change their minds. Therefore we shouldn't be able to leave as we voted in.

A binary referendum is the purest test of democracy.

He isn't saying it is the only democratic method. A parliamentary democracy we are all (hopefully) familiar with. But the more parliamentarians begin to ignore the electorate the more you move away from democracy.

People can change their minds yes, but its not a neverendum until you vote how the establishment wants you to (which usually only serves their interests).