Of course they should.
Slave labour in prison
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Of course they should.
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And how much does it cost to keep a prisoner in prison?
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Ukraine is essentially at war. I see no problem with the prisoners being used for slave labour.
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I have never agreed with this. An example would be near where I grew up a family with 4 brothers, 3 of which a touch wild when they were young but nothing that resulted in them been locked up. One of the brothers in and out of young offenders and eventually prison once old enough. Same household, same area where I grew up, same opportunities.
At some point it is the persons choice, not societies, that results in them becoming a criminal. I also know someone who grew up in the rougher part of Glasgow and he is now an MD of a large firm and doing very very well for himself. Growing up in such a rough place surely he should now be a criminal underworld boss, or did he make a choice to work hard and make something of himself.
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I don't think they should be paid as much as someone on the outside but they should get a bit more.
They get food and shelter too which doesn't come cheap
Workers should benefit more than those that chose not to, but solitary confinement is harsh though
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According to this report in 2014-15 the total average cost per prisoner was £33,291 and the cost per place was £36,259.
Not sure is those figures are supposed to be combined, don't have time to read the report atm............
Link Prison costs.
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I think we need to decide what we want prison to be. Is prison a repository for all of societies undesirables? In which case why are we letting any of them out again? I mean seriously, if all we do is detain and punish someone why are we surprised when they reoffend?
If we hope that people can be rehabilitated and become contributing members of society again then we need to make being in prison the 'punishment' and focus on how we help these people turn their lives around.
Prison as a deterrent didn't work for the Victorians, and it won't work for us.
As for prison wages, does it really matter what they're paid, so long as the wages are relative to the local economy. I.e. pay people £2 a day if you like so long as that £2 has the same buying power for the non essentials outside of prison
If we hope that people can be rehabilitated and become contributing members of society again then we need to make being in prison the 'punishment' and focus on how we help these people turn their lives around.
Prison as a deterrent didn't work for the Victorians, and it won't work for us.
As for prison wages, does it really matter what they're paid, so long as the wages are relative to the local economy. I.e. pay people £2 a day if you like so long as that £2 has the same buying power for the non essentials outside of prison
The USA is a very judgemental culture. Once you tick their "bad guy" box, they seem happy to heap any indignity and remove any basic rights from you. They have been doing this for a long time and it's one of the reasons the US prison industry is such big business.
Slavery is, aside from all the human rights and morality issues, also simply bad for society. One of the big social pressures that caused the Roman republic to collapse, I believe, was the increasing use of slaves meaning working class romans couldn't find work or when they could, wages were suppressed very low. Slaves compete with the paid job market and slavery really only benefits the owning class.
Though really that's a side issue to the gross suffering and wrongness of slavery itself. I mention the above simply for those who don't care about these things to show how it's bad for them as well.
Prison is there for protection of society and to a lesser extent, as a deterrent. If you're interested in "punishment" that can equally be accomplished with fines and with far greater efficiency (prisons cost a fortune to run).
Why the hell are we paying them in the first place ?
Chain gangs = Reduced sentence
Work = Reduced sentence
On top of the above make them learn period.
They need money, then family / Friends pay for them and then its given to the prison service and the prison service give everyone exactly the same, £20 a week or whatever it is.
Chain gangs = Reduced sentence
Work = Reduced sentence
On top of the above make them learn period.
They need money, then family / Friends pay for them and then its given to the prison service and the prison service give everyone exactly the same, £20 a week or whatever it is.
Hi there
Pay them minimum wage as per anyone else not in prison, but then out of that wage take the following:
- National insurance
- Tax
- Rent for their cell
- Food cost
- Cost of any other consumables they need, bog roll, soap, cigarettes etc.
Let them earn just like anyone else but at the same time take from that wage the cost of their accommodation and living requirements.
So not slave labour but at same time their cost is living is paid for by themselves and not the government, the system or whoever it is who pays.....
Pay them minimum wage as per anyone else not in prison, but then out of that wage take the following:
- National insurance
- Tax
- Rent for their cell
- Food cost
- Cost of any other consumables they need, bog roll, soap, cigarettes etc.
Let them earn just like anyone else but at the same time take from that wage the cost of their accommodation and living requirements.
So not slave labour but at same time their cost is living is paid for by themselves and not the government, the system or whoever it is who pays.....