Google October 4th Event

Personally I think quite a few people in here are exaggerating to try and emphasise the point.

Yes, it's perhaps not as good as we might have hoped and yes it's rather pricey. I bet it will sell though.

As I think about the pricing, I guess what the real problem is how much it is for the 'upgrades'. £599 I could live with for a top end, well made vanilla Android device with the best camera on the market, but then for a memory upgrade to be £100 and the larger version to be £120 is just too big a step. If they'd been £40 and £50, maybe I would give one a try.

Also, someone mentioned they were packing up their Echo. Really? I know/knew Google Home would be the better device, but I bought an Echo a few days back as god knows how long it will take for Google to set up their network of partners for Google Home to work in the UK. I'll happily use the Echo for the 6 to 8 months it will likely take Google to release Home in the UK.
 
Fallen god said:
Yeah I don't think this phone will be a flop, its just not for a lot of the readers here. Google wants to take on the iPhone now, not have a cheap developer phone. If they released a $400 phone it will just be another cheap android device. Instead we have a really well built phone, a good support ecosystem (at least in the US were the iPhone is best), solid camera from what I've seen this far, a nice amount of extra feature, a decent enough design for most (some will complain about the chin but again doesn't hurt the iPhone). On top of the its the best software experience, and from what I've seen its stupidly fast.

Even if the same exact phone costed less it would seem cheaper too be people, "I could get an iPhone or this cheaper android phone". Review will tell but if they tick of a lot of the boxes that most phones hit and market it well enough I think it will completely eclipse anything a Nexus phone has done. For that to happen they had to hurt their core user base which sucks but its just business.

I'm mostly annoyed that so many thing are locked down to the US only, but again it makes sense as its the biggest iPhone market. What really would **** me off is if the price drops, if its going to cost me a lot now it better remain a lot forever as to keep the value of the phone if it does ever sell well.
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This man gets it.

spoffle said:
There is absolutely nothing at all that justifies that price. The bill of materials will be tiny relative to the cost. There is nothing special about it at all.

Google also don't subsidise the cost of handsets when buying sim free. It simply does not cost hundreds of pounds to produce mobile phones.

You're coming off as such a Google apologist.
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I'm anything but an apologist. I just accept and appreciate what Google are trying to go for here.

I have to say it's been very interesting to see the mindset of the android community as a whole since the announcement of the Pixel. Having a stock Android phone was seen to be the holy grail, if only for the fact that you get regular updates compared to the other manufacturers. And regardless of what you might think, it is a top end phone. But now they've moved into the premium bracket, it's now "I'll just get a One Plus 3 instead.".

Google have even said they aren't expecting to shift huge numbers of the phone this time round as it's only their first attempt.

But don't think that low numbers and a bunch of people moaning about their new price model will suddenly have them pull a 180. This is the bracket that they want to be in now (have to be in if they want to go head to head with Apple) and the reactions of some of you won't deter them from where they want to be. If that means leaving some of you by the wayside then so be it.
 
I see that Google has really gone after the iPhone user with hardware and software specs galore, but one really easy feature to capture a hesitant iPhone user must surely be the ease of switching your data over to Android, with the Quick Switch Adapter.

Full disclosure: I purchased a 32 GB Pixel XL Very Silver through Google Play Store last night and look forward to an easy transfer of data from my Nexus 6. The amazing camera, which has received the highest award from DxOMark was very important to me. I am excited about increasingly handing off tasks to Google Assistant and expect to be an early buyer of Google Home. Will probably lead to more purchases of Nest products too. I already use their CO2 detector.

Looking forward to using the Pixel also with the Daydream View VR headset (although I appreciate the lack of stereo speakers is a likely minus). The Verge has already had a hands on test and describes the phone as the most refined Android phone ever--faster and smoother than any Android phone the tester has ever run. I also expect to order the Live Case with photo when it is available soon.



http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...-can-migrate-data-another-ios-android-device/
 
Sugnid said:
Why are they taking the mick with their pricing? Premium components aren't cheap.

Again, it just proves my point that everyone wants (or expected) Google to subsidise the phones price and now they aren't, you're all jumping ship.
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Sorry but's that's total rubbish. I got my Nexus 6P £180 cheaper from Chinese company that stock there phones in London.

I won't be getting rid of my 6P anytime soon.
 
@AndyCr15

Thinking about your comments of Echo v Google Home, I agree that Home is likely to be the better device and I appreciate your concern about Google getting it right in the UK over the next number of months. At its $ 129 list price announced (Echo is $ 50 more expensive), I expect it will be an easy purchase for many once they appreciate what it can do.

Danny Sullivan of SearchEngineLand had a nice piece on this last night that I thought you might appreciate. He discusses what is expected to be the next generation of search: hands free. As more apps get integrated into Home (the Uber app was demoed at yesterday's launch), I see apps really disappearing over time. Fascinating stuff. Hope you feel the article a good read.

http://searchengineland.com/google-home-assistant-260281
 
Google are not Apple!

Apple has developed their apps, whereas Google jumps from one bad idea to the next.

iMessage on iPhone

Messenger, Hangouts, Allo and Duo on Google

Develop your ecosystem, they are moving forward at a rapid pace but not ready to start charging Apple prices!

However......idiots will buy one so who's to blame. I mean if I made a £300 phone and sold it for £800, and people bought them, I'd be loving it lol

If Oneplus could just sort out their development team they would be on to a real winner!
 
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Sugnid said:
This man gets it.
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Agreed, as do you, to anyone wanting to buy a high end phone £200 over a putative 24 months is not a factor and nor will be the difference between a £30 odd p/m contract or a 40 odd p/m contract.

If you don't game pretty much the only difference between a modern £250 phone and a £650 phone to the average Brit with an iphone or top end Samsung, excluding Notes, are camera, exceptional ++ screen or looks and feel.
 
deuse said:
Sorry but's that's total rubbish. I got my Nexus 6P £180 cheaper from Chinese company that stock there phones in London.

I won't be getting rid of my 6P anytime soon.
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Ok, you managed to get your phone cheaper from a third party.

The fact still remains that it was a £500/600 phone subsidised by Google.
 
Sugnid said:
Ok, you managed to get your phone cheaper from a third party.

The fact still remains that it was a £500/600 phone subsidised by Google.
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Subsidised? How much do you think it cost them to manufacture? It wasn't priced particularly low for what it was.
 
mark43 said:
Subsidised? How much do you think it cost them to manufacture? It wasn't priced particularly low for what it was.
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Indeed, OnePlus are pretty indicative of what price a top end phone can be sold for.

Not charging the same obscene margins as Apple is not the same thing as subsidising.
 
mark43 said:
Subsidised? How much do you think it cost them to manufacture? It wasn't priced particularly low for what it was.
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What difference does that make?

Compared to other phones at the time, was it not cheaper than the rest? Do you not think that Google had to swallow some of that cost, much like they did for their previous phones?

People can try and spin it however they want. Fact of the matter is that Google have moved onto a higher tier and because they aren't producing a cheap phone with stock Android, people don't like it.
 
Sugnid said:
I have to say it's been very interesting to see the mindset of the android community as a whole since the announcement of the Pixel. Having a stock Android phone was seen to be the holy grail, if only for the fact that you get regular updates compared to the other manufacturers. And regardless of what you might think, it is a top end phone. But now they've moved into the premium bracket, it's now "I'll just get a One Plus 3 instead.".
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Stock was always great to have, but I don't think it warrants a large premium. Also I don't think it advances quick enough these days to care about getting immediate updates, plus I don't think the 3rd party stuff is anywhere near as bad as it used to be. I recently moved away from stock and am more than happy.

Also it's been pointed out that this device isn't aimed at people here, yet I don't think the average consumer cares about stock android, so if that's one of the key selling points its irrelevant.

I didn't ever feel Nexus phones were a massive bargain, they just cost what they should cost in comparison to some companies who take the p***.
 
Sugnid said:
What difference does that make?

Compared to other phones at the time, was it not cheaper than the rest? Do you not think that Google had to swallow some of that cost, much like they did for their previous phones?

People can try and spin it however they want. Fact of the matter is that Google have moved onto a higher tier and because they aren't producing a cheap phone with stock Android, people don't like it.
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It makes a difference because you keep stating it as a fact and I don't think it's true. If anything they made slightly less profit per handset, that's not subsidising.

Yes they've moved onto a higher tier and that's fine, just not sure they've done enough to justify it.
 
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