Lol, in his position I'd probably start taking a different additional bag to every one of that teacher's lessons, just to take the urine
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Lol, in his position I'd probably start taking a different additional bag to every one of that teacher's lessons, just to take the urine
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Fair play OP I think you've handled it well. Raising it with the teacher at the parents evening or even separately from the child is the right approach. I'm not saying teachers should be beyond reproach but it's important not to undermine them.
From what I remember at school most kids who got detention deserved them. I got in trouble once for burning my cake in cooking. Someone had turned up my oven to max. Looking back at the event I remember the teacher being at the end of her tether due to a whole sequence of disruption.
Like a ref on the pitch, it's kind of important they aren't seen to be indecisive. Changing their mind once a decision is made is a quick way to lose control. They may know full well it was wrong later.
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You made 3 things up, none of which were mentioned by the OP although he did mention 'PE Kit' but not reeking.
He didn't say late or that he disrupted the class.
is there anything else you want to make up while you're at it?
What part of that are you struggling to grasp?
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You've quoted it again! I said could and possibly. It's a key word. I thought you dealt with legal matters and yet you can't grasp the difference between potential and actual?!
I never did detentions at school, especially if they were after school.
In fact they hardly dished them out, if you did something bad during class you were sent to the cooler for the rest of the lesson. You were then seen to by an aggressive shouty PE teacher who you didn't really want to mess with.
Also we never had lockers, you had to carry your bag and coat around with you all day.
On the other hand £5 is a good price for a replacement locker key, someone at work just paid £7 to get one cut last week at a local key cutting shop. I suspect this would cost a lot more in London and down south.
In fact they hardly dished them out, if you did something bad during class you were sent to the cooler for the rest of the lesson. You were then seen to by an aggressive shouty PE teacher who you didn't really want to mess with.
Also we never had lockers, you had to carry your bag and coat around with you all day.
On the other hand £5 is a good price for a replacement locker key, someone at work just paid £7 to get one cut last week at a local key cutting shop. I suspect this would cost a lot more in London and down south.
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Exactly, no point even turning up...
Although to be fair, if the lunch break is only 30 mins then it doesn't exactly leave you much time for anything other than to wolf down your food and rush to your next class...
Clearly realised he was in the wrong/overreacted but had to stick to it to save face
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There's no such words as 'could' or 'possibly' because we deal in facts.
If my bosses stood in a Court Room using those words the Judge or Coroner would wonder what they're on about.
It's one thing to lead a witness on eg is it possible he could he have done this? but completely fool hardy to tell a Coroner or Judge that it was possible or could have happened - they want facts.
eg about a month ago the Trusts Solicitors needed a concrete fact on a time on Pathology results - did it mean the time it was taken from the patient or the time it ended up at the Lab? After hours of meeting with staff from the Path Lab and their own IT the answer was - "we don't know". There was no way the Solicitor could have said to the Judge it was possible it's the time it was taken from the patient or it could be the time it was taken from the patient. In Court he gave the factual answer - "I don't know".
If I told a Patients Solicitor that something could have happened or it was possible something happened they would never be off my back and I have made that mistake several times over the years.
He could have done that, he could have done this, he could have done the other - a bit pointless to come out with it.
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Back in the day myself and my nephew were banned from using the school lunch hall for the remainder of the term for throwing a load of paper airplanes into the school kitchen. In addition to that we had to have our lunch in the headmistresses office for a week.
Was a bit OTT looking back but ah well, everything turned out ok in the end! Think their justification for the punishment was a waste of paper and that our actions could inspire others to throw paper airplanes into the kitchens hehe. I remember us moaning to our parents who just said 'good!'
Or a bunch of paper aeroplanes being thrown at unsuspecting people carrying scalding got containers and liquids and rhere being open gas flames could possibly have lead to some quite serious injuries
The rule is pe kits are not to be taken into the science room/class room.
This could be due to
A) having a load of extra bags on tve floor presents trip hazards in an already risky environment
B)pe kits ****ing stink making the class room unpleasent for all.
He beought his pe kit to the classroom knowing it was against the rule.
He was punished as per rule.
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The problem as well, and I know this from the teacher's perspective, is that a parent's attitude to school's discipline can have consequences down the line. If it was me, I would discuss with the teacher and then, as it's only 15 minutes, I would tell my child to go to the detention.
I would tell my child if I thought it was frivolous after the chat with the teacher and quietly tell them to just go, it's only 15 minutes. Where does teachers being challenged by parents stop? If they are way out of line then fair enough!
For reference, I teach in an international school where parents never stop challenging our every seating plan and curriculum.
The teacher has either not thought far enough ahead before passing down the punishment or the policy is flawed that a student can get a 'double punishment'.
Have others had this or similar seemingly harsh punishments before?
I would tell my child if I thought it was frivolous after the chat with the teacher and quietly tell them to just go, it's only 15 minutes. Where does teachers being challenged by parents stop? If they are way out of line then fair enough!
For reference, I teach in an international school where parents never stop challenging our every seating plan and curriculum.
The teacher has either not thought far enough ahead before passing down the punishment or the policy is flawed that a student can get a 'double punishment'.
Have others had this or similar seemingly harsh punishments before?
So you have access to the school's list of rules? Care to post it so we can see where you're getting this information? Or is this just a "rule" that the science teacher has made up because his wife is sleeping with Mr Fitzgerald the English teacher and he's decided to take out his frustration on his students?*
Considering the kid has been at the school a month at the most, it's unlikely he was aware of the "rule" if it even exists, and an appropriate response from the teacher would be to a) listen to the explanation (which would have taken all of 5 seconds) and b) tell the kid it was against the rules, but because he's new/it's a one-off, don't do it again...
* See I can make things up too
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So you have access to the school's list of rules? Care to post it so we can see where you're getting this information? Or is this just a "rule" that the science teacher has made up because his wife is sleeping with Mr Fitzgerald the English teacher and he's decided to take out his frustration on his students?*
* See I can make things up too
no the op where he says he got detention for bringing his pe kit to his science lesson.
makes no difference if its the schools rule or the science teachers rule, kid knew it, kid broke it, kid got detention.
So if the science teacher makes up a rule tomorrow that everyone with blue pens gets 30 mins detention, you ok with that?
I'd happily put money on the kid being completely unaware of this supposed rule until the moment he got into that classroom.
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And possibly/could not know because he did not read the rules which I wouldn't have done either (OMG I made something up as well).
I still haven't read the Forum rules.
Fair enough, I guess we're just going to have to disagree on it. I just can't see how the way this was handled has achieved anything other than reducing the respect a student has for a teacher.
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