The next UKIP leader thread

I sometimes sit and wonder, what do people want from politicians?

Ultimately they don't "run the country" as they would have us believe, they make suggestions (or decisions if elected) around specific parts of an overall policy and if your the PM then you take the rap for it all as, in theory, you were the one who put people in charge of each area.

Given this, I wonder how any sane person can look at the likes of the UKIP party and see a collection of people suitable for the above position? They are anarchists in the truest sense of the 1970s punk version of the word! They fight against the status quo and I think this is why people like them, people feel like things aren't right with moderate politicians in charge, they don't know why exactly or how to fix it, so they vote for the most opposite version of what they currently see in the hope it will make a difference.

The problem is of course that UKIP was and still appears to be a one trick pony. Their entire set of arguments is based around leaving the EU and why the concept of the EU is bad for the UK but what they have never shown is any real gumption or insight as to how they will better run the UK (other than it not being part of the EU which is a separate issue in many many ways).

I'm not a fan of the conservatives and I certainly think our current unelected 1980's Thatcher throwbacks need to allow the public to vote for them properly... but there is a reason the basic party ethos of Labour and the Conservatives has lead to the majority of the governments formed in modern history, it's because, although never perfect, they work in reality. Parties like UKIP don't have this and so I really struggle to comprehend why anyone could vote for them in national elections to allow for the possibility they might form a government!

For the sake of fairness, I should say I think the same about the likes of the Greens etc. All parties have a few basic principles that can ring true with anyone, but there needs to be at least a modicum of potential for good general decision making...

To be frank.. what is so wrong with "boring" when it comes to a government? Boring tends to bring stability, it's the reason we can (just about) afford to keep our lives ticking over financially, the reason we don't end up in completely ridiculous conflicts (thanks for ruining this argument somewhat Blair) and the reason we can do things in our lives like worry where credit for our next car is going to come from rather than where the next meal is going to come from.

Of course not everybody benefits from boring but the majority do, I shudder to think what would happen if the likes of UKIP or the Greens had actual power...
 
And yet we're leaving the EU.

- Imagine the alternative universe where Labour won the GE, Ed Milliband is PM and we lost the EU referendum, if we even had one. *shudder*

And yet the pound is still tanking!

Sterling hits new 31-year low against the dollar

The pound sank to a fresh 31-year low against the dollar on Wednesday amid growing signs that the shock Brexit vote is already damaging the UK economy.

Sterling hit a low of $1.2796 at one point as investors lost confidence in Britain’s future outside the European Union and piled out of the UK currency.
Source = https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/06/brexit-pound-plunges-to-30-year-lows-as-eu-fears-bite-into-global-markets-again

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But hey, sovereignty and no stinky foreigners :rolleyes:
 
I suspect UKIP never really expected the UK to leave the EU. They probably just thought they could court the protest vote endlessly, without ever having to deliver on their ultimate promise.

Now it's happened, and the self-proclaimed 'third party of UK politics' (with only one MP!) has completely collapsed. It's almost as if they don't actually know how to do the job they're paid for...
 
I suppose I shouldn't be tickled by the irony that one of the few times a UKIP MEP actually turns up to work ends in two of them fighting.
 
- Imagine the alternative universe where Labour won the GE, Ed Milliband is PM and we lost the EU referendum, if we even had one. *shudder*

As opposed to the fine state we're currently in? Jog on mate.

We should NEVER have called a referendum when we haven't "fixed the roof" and are still under austerity with a current volatile and twitchy market, (looking at China's imminent short comings and Russia's economy ).

You spout as much as you like saying about "its being right thing to have left the EU", perhaps in another time I would have agreed... But we have shot ourselves twice in the foot.

One being brexit. The other being the likelihood of there being a tory government for 9 years to come, who will destroy workers rights, stop any and all wage increase, the NHS, public services and any and all social housing.... All of which will be our childrens only life line when they're older.

I am absolutely ASHAMED at what future we are creating for them! ASHAMED. We've been blind sided by career Politian's, bigots and the down right scum.
 
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[TFU] Thegoon84;30080207 said:
As opposed to the fine state we're currently in? Jog on mate.

We should NEVER have called a referendum when we haven't "fixed the roof" and are still under austerity with a current volatile and twitchy market, (looking at China's imminent short comings and Russia's economy ).

You spout as much as you like saying about "its being right thing to have left the EU", perhaps in another time I would have agreed... But we have shot ourselves twice in the foot.

One being brexit. The other being the likelihood of there being a tory government for 9 years to come, who will destroy workers rights, stop any and all wage increase, the NHS, public services and any and all social housing.... All of which will be our childrens only life line when they're older.

I am absolutely ASHAMED at what future we are creating for them! ASHAMED. We've been blind sided by career Politian's, bigots and the down right scum.

You can feel 'ASHAMED' as much as you like. I am thankful we don't have a Labour government - I think May will deliver, and we'll be much better off in the long term.

If you are looking for someone to blame for the state of the country, blame Labour for being so weak and ineffectual the Conservatives don't have an opposition at the moment.
 
[TFU] Thegoon84;30080207 said:
As opposed to the fine state we're currently in? Jog on mate.

We should NEVER have called a referendum when we haven't "fixed the roof" and are still under austerity with a current volatile and twitchy market, (looking at China's imminent short comings and Russia's economy ).

You spout as much as you like saying about "its being right thing to have left the EU", perhaps in another time I would have agreed... But we have shot ourselves twice in the foot.

One being brexit. The other being the likelihood of there being a tory government for 9 years to come, who will destroy workers rights, stop any and all wage increase, the NHS, public services and any and all social housing.... All of which will be our childrens only life line when they're older.

I am absolutely ASHAMED at what future we are creating for them! ASHAMED. We've been blind sided by career Politian's, bigots and the down right scum.

It's been a rough ride, but we need to remember how we got here in the first place.

The Tories only came to power after years of Labour shenanigans, from the good (Tony Blair seemed a decent chap at first) to the bad (New Labour) to the ugly (Iraq/Afghanistan) to the very ugly (Gordon Brown as PM).

After all that, almost anything was going to look like an improvement.

The Lib Dems formed power with the Tories and promised to make them behave, which seemed a good idea at the time but clearly wasn't. The Tories were returned to power in their own right, and now nobody will admit to voting Lib Dem.

Meanwhile, David Cameron has spent the last six years doing his best to praise Thatcher while carefully avoiding any proposals that even remotely resemble her policies.

Yes, he reduced the national deficit. Yes, he successfully modernised his party (the Tories have finally been dragged kicking and screaming into the 19th century). But he's only made tough decisions when there was no other choice, and he only agreed to the Brexit referendum because he was sure the Remainers would win.

I think it was Gerald Simkins who wrote, 'Cameron has governed with all the agonised delicacy of a man whose testicles are snagged on opposite sides of a cleft stick.'

Yet despite all of this I'm going to miss Cameron, if only for the fact that his replacement has turned out to be Theresa 'Mad Munter' May.
 
I suppose I shouldn't be tickled by the irony that one of the few times a UKIP MEP actually turns up to work ends in two of them fighting.

From what i can tell UKIP has more splits than Labour

Upside is, they have got some press for the right reasons, showing their true colours

And it was only a couple of days ago a UKIP fanboy said they didnt need to change their leadership. lolz
 
You can feel 'ASHAMED' as much as you like. I am thankful we don't have a Labour government - I think May will deliver, and we'll be much better off in the long term.

If you are looking for someone to blame for the state of the country, blame Labour for being so weak and ineffectual the Conservatives don't have an opposition at the moment.

Except May's latest policy is chapter 2 of Main Kampff pretty much word for word.

I dread to think where we are heading.
 
Neil Hamilton appearance on question time last night was fairly cringe worthy. His expiation for why UKIP remains respectable is because their code of conduct apparently discourages punching fellow colleagues in the face.

Does anyone have any idea how UKIP will fund itself going forward? The 24 MEPs will soon be out of a job, and their salaries with it. The membership is small, and not exactly flush with cash. Party donors are looking decreasingly enthusiastic.
 
Neil Hamilton appearance on question time last night was fairly cringe worthy. His expiation for why UKIP remains respectable is because their code of conduct apparently discourages punching fellow colleagues in the face.

Does anyone have any idea how UKIP will fund itself going forward? The 24 MEPs will soon be out of a job, and their salaries with it. The membership is small, and not exactly flush with cash. Party donors are looking decreasingly enthusiastic.

UKIP thought they could ride the Brussells gravy train indefinitely while pretending to campaign against their own jobs. Now they're about to be jobless, the entire party is panicking.
 
You can feel 'ASHAMED' as much as you like. I am thankful we don't have a Labour government - I think May will deliver, and we'll be much better off in the long term.

If you are looking for someone to blame for the state of the country, blame Labour for being so weak and ineffectual the Conservatives don't have an opposition at the moment.

Oh god here we go again... Lets blame my inability to progress in life on Labour's past failing (UKIP voters standard reason for voting).

Get a grip of yourself. Labour didn't cause the great recession, They spent during the recession and tried to buy their way out, but nobody realised how much THE BANKS had screwed us over, why and how should labour apologise for that?.... The tories came in and doubled our debt and have failed to hit their target of a deficit surplus or "fixing the roof while its sunny" pledge.......

Labour were wrong to go to Iraq, but most of us (including you I expect) supported the invasion at the time .

So whats left to blame them for? Oh that's right this magical word "immigration", where all our problems come from and how people Davo from Leeds cant get a job because a non English speaking muslim beat him to his dream job working in Tesco.... Labour got it wrong with immigration, however we needed it.. and still need it as we have an ageing population and many of us brits wont do the menial jobs.

People like you just make me laugh my backside off... Standard working class people turning on a party who would actually make a difference to you and your family and instead back a single track minded nasty version of a corrupt self serving conservative party!

The country has gone mad! Little Britain with little minded people.... Like yourself!

Happy voting!
 
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I've been watching BBC News and the presenter has spent best part of 15mins trying to get the guy involved in the rumoured altercation to admit he punched him, it's more like an interrogation than an interview.

The news is embarrassing these days.
 

Really what? That we were fool into believing that Saddam had WMD's or that a guy in a cave managed to take down two of worlds most notable towers in the world? Really what?

At the time internet wasn't a massive thing and information was so available.... Hell I even read and believed the Sun back then.
 
[TFU] Thegoon84;30080868 said:
Labour were wrong to go to Iraq, but most of us (including you I expect) supported the invasion at the time .

You're kidding, of course, right?

Millions of people protested the war in Iraq; and given how apathetic people are about protesting usually that says an awful lot.
 
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