US: Westworld

So in episode 4:
Some more hints to the scientists being robots with Ford knowing where that woman sat in the restaurant when she was a child. If it was a memory he created then he would know. The alternative is they keep all footage ever from guests and he was able to watch it.

Also the blue dress girl (forgot her name) repeated his line about pain being all she has left of her family. I believe he viewed it as her becoming more human, but it's possible she has the same code as he does.

I was surprised they left that bullet the brothel madame, that was awfully convenient for her so she could validate her theory.
 
FutileBreadMachine said:
So in episode 4:
Some more hints to the scientists being robots with Ford knowing where that woman sat in the restaurant when she was a child. If it was a memory he created then he would know. The alternative is they keep all footage ever from guests and he was able to watch it.

Also the blue dress girl (forgot her name) repeated his line about pain being all she has left of her family. I believe he viewed it as her becoming more human, but it's possible she has the same code as he does.

I was surprised they left that bullet the brothel madame, that was awfully convenient for her so she could validate her theory.
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Also the snake woman mentioned Wyatt to the MIB, who didn't seem to think the name was strange or one he'd not heard before. This is a new scenario including Wyatt, maybe its one planned for a long time or expected by the mib/arnold.

Also in ep3
 
The Running Man said:
Also the snake woman mentioned Wyatt to the MIB, who didn't seem to think the name was strange or one he'd not heard before. This is a new scenario including Wyatt, maybe its one planned for a long time or expected by the mib/arnold.

Also in ep3
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That might support the theory that William is MiB in the past. It's possible that Ford made the Wyatt storyline in the past when MiB was young/William and he heard about the maze from Dolores.

One thing that trips this up is that Bernard already knew about the maze, so that means the maze was not created as part of the Wyatt storyline.
 
FutileBreadMachine said:
That might support the theory that William is MiB in the past. It's possible that Ford made the Wyatt storyline in the past when MiB was young/William and he heard about the maze from Dolores.

One thing that trips this up is that Bernard already knew about the maze, so that means the maze was not created as part of the Wyatt storyline.
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bernard might know 9f the maze as it could be a physical place/thing that is apparent to the creators and engineers of the site but not to the guests. Mib is a guest but knoss of it and it's purpose potentially

the wyatt story could be significant to Arnold as it's something he helped to invent or have a hidden meaning that an event will be triggered upon that story line happening. Perhaps he story boarded it out before his demise and it 8s now being fulfilled?
 
The Running Man said:
bernard might know 9f the maze as it could be a physical place/thing that is apparent to the creators and engineers of the site but not to the guests. Mib is a guest but knoss of it and it's purpose potentially

the wyatt story could be significant to Arnold as it's something he helped to invent or have a hidden meaning that an event will be triggered upon that story line happening. Perhaps he story boarded it out before his demise and it 8s now being fulfilled?
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Yes it could be the case that the maze already exists and the Wyatt storyline was just made by Ford to connect with it (It seems the MiB is going to Wyatt for the next clue to finding the maze). Seems an unusual thing to do for Ford though, since Bernard believes it will help Dolores escape if she finds it, but Ford does not believe they are sentient, so he wouldn't really be interested in the maze.

I thought the MiB could be a robot created by Arnold who believes he is human and by finding the maze he would somehow prove he was sentient, but then that other guest mentioned something about the MiB having some foundation, so that indicates he is from the outside (or a robot living in the outside? Que Hans Zimmer music :p).
 
FutileBreadMachine said:
Yes it could be the case that the maze already exists and the Wyatt storyline was just made by Ford to connect with it (It seems the MiB is going to Wyatt for the next clue to finding the maze). Seems an unusual thing to do for Ford though, since Bernard believes it will help Dolores escape if she finds it, but Ford does not believe they are sentient, so he wouldn't really be interested in the maze.

I thought the MiB could be a robot created by Arnold who believes he is human and by finding the maze he would somehow prove he was sentient, but then that other guest mentioned something about the MiB having some foundation, so that indicates he is from the outside (or a robot living in the outside? Que Hans Zimmer music :p).
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Maybe if they are able to find the maze and get to the center they can release themselves in sone way. Or it has the controls to the park when pressed the engineers lose their ability to control it. The mib alluded to that guy being able to kill him some time soon. Perhaps their development has to be right before this can be allowed to happen.
When the mib gets there he can flick the switvh and the hosts can escape or are no longer under direct control. Im thinking along those lines at the moment and we will have a zombie type apocalyptic moment where the hosts get out of the part and it turns into blade runner while the hosts try to kill and extract revenge for the punishment they took? Writing simply as on my phone
 
The Running Man said:
Maybe if they are able to find the maze and get to the center they can release themselves in sone way. Or it has the controls to the park when pressed the engineers lose their ability to control it. The mib alluded to that guy being able to kill him some time soon. Perhaps their development has to be right before this can be allowed to happen.
When the mib gets there he can flick the switvh and the hosts can escape or are no longer under direct control. Im thinking along those lines at the moment and we will have a zombie type apocalyptic moment where the hosts get out of the part and it turns into blade runner while the hosts try to kill and extract revenge for the punishment they took? Writing simply as on my phone
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I interpreted the center of the maze to be an abstract concept, like the fact that they reached it would be enough, there wouldn't actually be anything there. Or they might find an old guy dressed in a white suit there who will give a long speech about the illusion of choice...:p
 
FutileBreadMachine said:
I interpreted the center of the maze to be an abstract concept, like the fact that they reached it would be enough, there wouldn't actually be anything there. Or they might find an old guy dressed in a white suit there who will give a long speech about the illusion of choice...:p
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It could be literal or figurative but there is a maze, pretty sure that girl was drawing it in the ground and the rock smash guy might have been drawing part of it in his carvings.

still think it will unlock an ability for the hosts to turn off their safety features based upon what the mib said.

What i don't understand is how the controllers can zoom in on some stuff but seem oblivious to other things and why they don't have tracking tags on the hosts - i.e why did it take them ages to locate rock smash guy ...
 
As a theory proponent and defender of the "bullet tech" in Westworld I am very, very disappointed after the last episode saw Meave fishing out real lead bullet from her abdomen. Lead shrapnel messes up theoretical side of things for the sake of laziest of plot conveniences. You see we don't always need any further explanation as to "how exactly stuff works in the future" as far as I'm concerned. We don't need to know how Falcon Millennium's hyperdrive works to accept it, unless we were shown something archaic and ridiculous, like Chewbacca powering it by belt strapped bicycle to achieve Class 0.5. And an "analogue" mangled projectile was just that. It degraded otherwise very futuristic tech to everything we didn't want it to be - it introduced all of the terrible questions - "what if another guest is in the line of fire, what if the bullet ricochets, shouldn't the walls of the saloon be full of holes by now, how the ef does a host gun fire real lead when pointed at another host but produce just a cloud of smoke when pointed at a guest". All for a flipping story line convenience. I hate lazy writers. With passion.

Also, after watching ep 4 I immediately understood why the early reviews from the press that were given the first 4 episodes back before it started were so carefully worded. I literally felt the show going from "ef me", through "darn", "whoa" to just "mmmmkay" across those four hours. This week it officially began to feel lazy and skin deep. Like one of those shows that run out of stream immediately after that first short order - shows where the theories become better than what you see week to week. I hope it is not one of those shows, but, I don't know... something about the last episode, magic was missing.
 
That was probably the best episode for me so far. The story is taking shape and I'm actually starting to care about the hosts which I was sure I wouldn't.

I just hope
Ed Harris isn't Arnold. The Thandie issue with the bullet is making me think he is definitely human...
 
Why are we using spoiler tags? The show has aired.

I don't think Ed Harris is Arnold and he's definitely human. This was confirmed when the 2 guests thanked him for saving their sister's life through his foundation to which he replied "Say another word and I'll slit your throat, I'm on vacation".

I'm still really enjoying it.
 
ShortWarning said:
Why are we using spoiler tags? The show has aired.

I don't think Ed Harris is Arnold and he's definitely human. This was confirmed when the 2 guests thanked him for saving their sister's life through his foundation to which he replied "Say another word and I'll slit your throat, I'm on vacation".

I'm still really enjoying it.
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Still could be a replica of a human. Also maybe he turned their daughter into an android to save her...and now he is fighting the game to release all androids from the west world..
 
v0n said:
As a theory proponent and defender of the "bullet tech" in Westworld I am very, very disappointed after the last episode saw Meave fishing out real lead bullet from her abdomen. Lead shrapnel messes up theoretical side of things for the sake of laziest of plot conveniences. You see we don't always need any further explanation as to "how exactly stuff works in the future" as far as I'm concerned. We don't need to know how Falcon Millennium's hyperdrive works to accept it, unless we were shown something archaic and ridiculous, like Chewbacca powering it by belt strapped bicycle to achieve Class 0.5. And an "analogue" mangled projectile was just that. It degraded otherwise very futuristic tech to everything we didn't want it to be - it introduced all of the terrible questions - "what if another guest is in the line of fire, what if the bullet ricochets, shouldn't the walls of the saloon be full of holes by now, how the ef does a host gun fire real lead when pointed at another host but produce just a cloud of smoke when pointed at a guest". All for a flipping story line convenience. I hate lazy writers. With passion.
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I'm yet to watch episode 4, so I don't know exactly what happens there, so I may be way off beam with this...

Who did Maeve get shot by? Could it be that someone has managed to get a "real" gun into Westworld and that's what she was shot with? That would presumably yield different results to whatever technomagical guns they use the rest of the time. Though you would expect the people repairing the androids to figure it out when they started finding bits of bullets when they're fixing them up.
 
Vonhelmet said:
I'm yet to watch episode 4, so I don't know exactly what happens there, so I may be way off beam with this...

Who did Maeve get shot by? Though you would expect the people repairing the androids to figure it out when they started finding bits of bullets when they're fixing them up.
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She looked at a customer and suddenly had a flashback to a "dream" in which that very customer went berserk and killed everyone in the saloon, and wounded her. She recalled waking up on "repair" table and overhearing conversation between men in space suits working on her that she needed another procedure to remove a bullet fragment from her abdomen. The other voice said "Ray wants her on the floor right now, there is no time, just patch her up" and her flashback stopped. She became convinced there was still a bullet shrapnel in her stomach and decided to prove her "dream" was real.
 
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