The Battle of Orgreave

Danthus · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:07

Today the government has announced that there will be no inquiry into the Battle of Orgreave.

Given that the people concerned were told an inquiry would happen, just the format needed to be decided this is some about turn.

The IPCC has found evidence of perverting the course of justice and perjury with regards to police evidence.

This decision is utterly wrong.

Uther · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:08

Totally.

Stretch · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:12

It seems slightly strange given what ex-members of the police force have said recently.

Terminal_Boy · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:13

You would have thought Labour might have opened an inquiry during the 13 years they were running the country, wouldn't you?

Dis86 · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:13

Why waste even more money when it won't result in any positive outcome?

Terminal_Boy · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:16

Dis86 said:
Why waste even more money when it won't result in any positive outcome?

Virtue signalling and compo?

stockhausen · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:17

I gather that many of the relevant documents have been restricted from publication for some 70 years.

However, we all know that enquiries into malfeasance by the Government, the "Establishment" or the "Meeja" never actually lead anywhere, they are just a huge "Benefits opportunity" for the legal profession.

Look at the inquiries into child abuse, the illegal invasion of Iraq, the death of Dr. David Kelly or the activities of the gutter press - they always end up with "Honest, nothing happened here, move along please."

Danthus · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:22

Dis86 said:
Why waste even more money when it won't result in any positive outcome?

Terminal_Boy said:
Virtue signalling and compo?

Police officers lied, than years later, officers in the same force lied again.

Pudney · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:25

OldCoals said:
Police officers lied, than years later, officers in the same force lied again.

Everyone knows this though. So why spend a large sum of money on it? Didn't Diane Abbott say a lot of the senior officers were involved with Hillsborough as well? Seems like we've already established they were corrupt as ****.

Dis86 · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:25

And we know that. And they no longer serve. So all it will do is take tax payers money and give it to lawyers with no positive outcome.

Danthus · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:27

But what don't we know?

Caged · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:28

How important is it to use the phrase 'virtue signalling' that an enquiry into police actions following IPCC investigations and statements made by officers would count as it? Using the phrase itself in condemnation of a thing has now become virtue signalling.

Terminal_Boy · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:29

OldCoals said:
But what don't we know?

Arthur Scargill's bank balance?

Dis86 · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:30

OldCoals said:
But what don't we know?

Who cares?! It changes nothing!

Caged · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:35

Regarding the actual events - it's one of those things where some people will side with the miners no matter what, and some people will take the opposing side no matter what.

As much as it's annoying to be told for years that there will be an inquiry, and as much as I dislike Amber Rudd, this isn't an enquiry that would lead to false convictions being overturned to clear people's names, and any compensation would be dwarfed by the legal bills.

Pudney · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:38

Caged said:
Regarding the actual events - it's one of those things where some people will side with the miners no matter what, and some people will take the opposing side no matter what.

As much as it's annoying to be told for years that there will be an inquiry, and as much as I dislike Amber Rudd, this isn't an enquiry that would lead to false convictions being overturned to clear people's names, and any compensation would be dwarfed by the legal bills.

I'm young enough and southern enough that the event has no impact on me either way. I'd like to say I'm firmly neutral on this and I'm struggling to see what the constructive purpose would be on any inquiry.

wildman · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:39

May is just covering up as she is an advocate for police state UK. It's disgraceful and shows that May and her neo nazi fanboi hit squad cannot be trusted.

wildman · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:40

Pudney said:
I'm young enough and southern enough that the event has no impact on me either way. I'd like to say I'm firmly neutral on this and I'm struggling to see what the constructive purpose would be on any inquiry.

so you are saying that you have no interest in knowing the the police were acting in a corrupt way or taking direct orders from a government to effectively pervert the course of justice. That's just sad mate.

Malevolence · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:41

OldCoals said:
But what don't we know?

If the wife even likes the Independence Day movies.

Pudney · 31 Oct 2016 at 22:42

wildman said:
so you are saying that you have no interest in knowing the the police were acting in a corrupt way or taking direct orders from a government to effectively pervert the course of justice. That's just sad mate.

No, Hillsborough has already shown they were corrupt. Why do we need to find out again when we already know it?

Edit: if you can say why exactly this inquiry would be useful I'd probably support it. But proving they're corrupt isn't a necessary reason.

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