Any history buffs ? Why are Nazi worst in history
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To be fair to him it's not really holocaust denial. He isn't saying it didn't happen, rather that the Jewish extermination is discussed and far more prominent than the many other groups that were also methodically exterminated. Anti Semitic...? well that's a different matter.
Unfortunately the holocaust is also being used for political capital (for example Israeli politicians using it as an excuse to attack legitimate dissent of their foreign and domestic policies).
Edit: and on a similar tangent. Jews essentially got a homeland out of their holocaust. Why did the Roma (of which estimates suggest around 25% of the European population were exterminated) not get one too? They are a group that are persecuted even now.
As for why the Nazis are put on a pedestal - more recent, closer to home and the UK fought them.
There are plenty of other atrocities that could be just as bad, but as they either aren't part as bad or we had a hand in the atrocities we aren't taught about them. I'm sure in the east Mao and the Japanese are probably discussed more.
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We also never hear much about how we treated the Irish.
Well your post does nothing but take the thread further off topic when you could have easily ignored the posts you thought were trolling.
Despite its execution I think this thread is one of the most interesting in GD in recent times, somebody is actually reasonably questioning things.
This thread is absolutely not holocaust denial. It's more a question about why other atrocities are not as prominent in the modern world/history.
Thanks, atleast someone understands what I was trying to ask.
I know I could have up it better but im not good with words.
Another one to think about is the Congo and the massacre there. It's estimated around 10 million Congolese we killed during the countries control by Belgium, who only left in 1960. As a direct result of that colonialism millions more have died in fighting since then.
Not bad for a tiny state!
Atrocities and genocide in Africa is significantly under represented in history "classes", even though Europeans are one of the main reasons they occurred.
Not bad for a tiny state!
Atrocities and genocide in Africa is significantly under represented in history "classes", even though Europeans are one of the main reasons they occurred.
Europeans are one of the main reason they even advanced at all.
Regardless, another atrocity is occurring there - false hope. We pump the continent full of free food in guilt, destroying the bottom-ended industry and massively inflating the population. They will suffer twice, thrice even because we don't think in an even manner, though recently some things have changed thankfully (Unsure how beneficial it will really be, so late).
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You do make a good point.
holocaust is one of the worst things in history but I was thinking the samething, the holocaust does get abused a lot for gain, the holocaust was bad but that horse has been getting beaten to death for the last 60+ years it would mean a lot more to non jewish people if it was not used every 10 sec.
and no this is not anti-Semitism its the truth.
I was not aware of others (Polish, Romani, People of colour, cripples, mentally retarded, homosexual, etc.) also got murdered in the holocaust I alway thought it was just jewish, you can assume why.
I know a lot of bad things have happened/still happening in africa but I was not aware of this.
Mao Zedong Killed 45 million people and first I hear about it is today.
also
Native Americans
africans
Indians
Why dont we know much about it, should all of them do the same thing as the jewish people before we know.
A lot of bad thinks have happened but we seem to focus more on one or two.
It make you wonder, why dont we know? how many mass murders dont the everyday person know about ? whats happening in the world today? would we find anything as bad as the holocaust and could we even compare them ?
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Adolf Hitler had some good ideas, one of which was purging society of genetic diseases.
OK, his practicality was a bit off, but the idea in itself was a sound one. We are still trying to do exaclty that to this day, but with different methods like medicine and genetic engineering. Back then this wasnt the case, and the only option was to stop people with really unlucky genetics from breeding, or, erm, murder them, which was a little extreme really.
OK, his practicality was a bit off, but the idea in itself was a sound one. We are still trying to do exaclty that to this day, but with different methods like medicine and genetic engineering. Back then this wasnt the case, and the only option was to stop people with really unlucky genetics from breeding, or, erm, murder them, which was a little extreme really.
Debatable. There have been several empires and advanced civilizations in Africa, they weren't just a bunch of tribes running around with sticks and stones. Britain gave them industrialization true, but Britain "won" that race just as much by virtue of its lucky geographic and geological positioning as "intelligence" and advancement.
Would Africa be the way it is now if we traded with them rather than "pillaged" and colonized them? When done "right" there have certainly been benefits to colonialism - just see countries like India where a major network of railroads were built. Africa didn't get those, the minimum amount was spent to extract the most resources. What wasn't required - such as education, healthcare, a national/international infastructure system (such as seen in Europe, North America and India) - wasn't invested in. We then left many of the countries with only really one well organized system - the militaries, who then took it upon themselves to run the countries.
After independence countries also had the Cold War to contend with - Africa being a major proxy war continent, with huge amounts of weaponry being funnneled into various causes.
Africans are definitely at fault for a lo of the problems in Africa, but certainly not all - colonialism and post colonialism have had a huge impact for the negative as well.
Either way - Belgium was a large cause of the 10 million deaths during their tenure there. The king pretty much ran it as his own thiefdom and ran it very appallingly.
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To confirm, I once asked a class about bad people from history (I forget why, I was probably bored), and every single one had Mao at the top. Obviously that makes sense given the history of Taiwan - but they tend to have a favourable opinion of the Japanese, more good than bad.
Who's your source? Alex Jones?
Are you for real? The survivors. Some of whom I personally have met. I also knew one of the men who liberated one of the smaller camps.
Yeah that was pretty awful. What is interesting, is comparing the English language Wikipedia entry for Prince Leopold to the French language one, which glosses it over somewhat.
So one post suddenly changes the point that the OP was trying to make?
I guess GD gonna GD
No, and I don't think anyone was criticising OPs thread. Merely the path it was in danger of taking due to one outrageous post.
I think the Nazis were the "worst" in history because of their efforts to kill an entire section of society and purify a race as it were. Systematic slaughter and deaths on an industrial scale. Probably the worst crime in human history.
There are always however, very interesting tenets of history that ought be at least acknowledged or not be presented as a lie. The issue is some of these lies are still believed even when it has been proven beyond almost all doubt to be false.
Jews declared war on Germany first though remember and Kristalnachts cause is not delivered in mainstream education.
The Jewish Holocaust was actually not the biggest systematic death count of WW2.
Also I saw a poster say 1938 was when the murdering started wholesale... That's not possible given WW2 did not commence until 1939 and the Final Solution document was nit signed until 1942 iirc
There are always however, very interesting tenets of history that ought be at least acknowledged or not be presented as a lie. The issue is some of these lies are still believed even when it has been proven beyond almost all doubt to be false.
Jews declared war on Germany first though remember and Kristalnachts cause is not delivered in mainstream education.
The Jewish Holocaust was actually not the biggest systematic death count of WW2.
Also I saw a poster say 1938 was when the murdering started wholesale... That's not possible given WW2 did not commence until 1939 and the Final Solution document was nit signed until 1942 iirc
IMO, the reason why The Nazis are picked out for particular criticism is because, Unlike the Soviet Union (Which was largely regarded by Western European Powers during the 20's and 30's in much the same way as we might regard Mexico today) Germany was a fully developed, technically sophisticated and cultured nation. Just like Us!
Within 10 years of Hitler taking power, they got to Auschwitz!
The scary thing is that if it could happen there, It could happen anywhere! All it takes it the right set of circumstances.
It should also be remember that Hitler wasn't your standard issue brutal dictator who ruled a cowed and fearful populous with brutality and intimidation.
He was a very popular leader who was supported by the majority of Germans right up to the end of the war.
Insofar as there is any Holocaust Myth, it is this.
The Myth that is perpetrated is that the systematic mass killings of the Holocaust were carried out by a small number of dedicated and evil fanatics under conditions of great secrecy.
This "Myth" is perpetrated by the farce of, every now and again, rounding up increasingly elderly people in order to "Bring them to justice" in well publicised show trials. (The fact that most of these old men would have been little more than "child soldiers" at the time in question show just how unjust this all is)
In fact, this is not true, at all.
The Holocaust was a vast industrial scale operation involving the active participation of hundreds of thousands of people and the passive participation of many millions. Not just in Germany but all across Europe.
Indeed, much of the rounding up and transport wasn't carried out by Germans at all.
What some find scary and are reluctant to face is that the vast majority of the people actively involved were just perfectly ordinary people. Not evil fanatics at all.
It is much easier to rationalise, and therefore easier to blame, a small number of evil bogeymen. and give them a name rather than to face the uncomfortable truth that the Holocaust basically happened because very large numbers of people all across Europe were content to let it happen or even wanted it to happen.
Within 10 years of Hitler taking power, they got to Auschwitz!
The scary thing is that if it could happen there, It could happen anywhere! All it takes it the right set of circumstances.
It should also be remember that Hitler wasn't your standard issue brutal dictator who ruled a cowed and fearful populous with brutality and intimidation.
He was a very popular leader who was supported by the majority of Germans right up to the end of the war.
Insofar as there is any Holocaust Myth, it is this.
The Myth that is perpetrated is that the systematic mass killings of the Holocaust were carried out by a small number of dedicated and evil fanatics under conditions of great secrecy.
This "Myth" is perpetrated by the farce of, every now and again, rounding up increasingly elderly people in order to "Bring them to justice" in well publicised show trials. (The fact that most of these old men would have been little more than "child soldiers" at the time in question show just how unjust this all is)
In fact, this is not true, at all.
The Holocaust was a vast industrial scale operation involving the active participation of hundreds of thousands of people and the passive participation of many millions. Not just in Germany but all across Europe.
Indeed, much of the rounding up and transport wasn't carried out by Germans at all.
What some find scary and are reluctant to face is that the vast majority of the people actively involved were just perfectly ordinary people. Not evil fanatics at all.
It is much easier to rationalise, and therefore easier to blame, a small number of evil bogeymen. and give them a name rather than to face the uncomfortable truth that the Holocaust basically happened because very large numbers of people all across Europe were content to let it happen or even wanted it to happen.
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Seems a high amount, but then I suppose you are counting all regions of the Americas, not just the northern tribes.
Population density certainly wasn't as high back then.
I might be wrong but I believe Ireland remains the only country that currently has a lower population than it had 200 years ago. Famine, immigration and slavery being the main sources of its rapid decline back in the day.
Population density certainly wasn't as high back then.
I might be wrong but I believe Ireland remains the only country that currently has a lower population than it had 200 years ago. Famine, immigration and slavery being the main sources of its rapid decline back in the day.
If you expand that to the colonisation of the Americas by Europeans, it is certainly up there with the worst of them. As there are no accurate population records prior to the arrival of Europeans, it's hard to put a number to it. Top estimate is over 120million.
well the young are leaving Ireland through lack of job opportunities and mis-management of the country, emigration is higher than immigration.
as for north American Indians -
According to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." -
Churchill.W (1997) A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present City Lights Books:California.