Similar to the Justice System?
Vigilante justice - ex football coach
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Similar to the Justice System?
I'd say he needs arresting and then if there's enough evidence to prove it beyond reasonable doubt then lock him up. It's not ever acceptable for the public to just decide that they can dish out some 'justice'.
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Criminal justice system has become a contradiction over here .
Too soft, too often. Complicit in new crimes by not locking up ofenders for long enough or at all. Joke of a system and you try to defend it...
On the other hand, innocent until proven guilty does not exist in this country. Not in ref to this situation, but too many people are already guilty or shamed by the media before they even went to court.
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He shouldn't be walking the streets with his history.
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Trial by media in full force, this is why this whole business of naming and shaming before being convicted by a jury is utterly disgraceful.
Not to mention the fact that in many cases men can lose their jobs, freinds, and respectability only to be proved innocent and STILL not get anything more than "oh so he wriggled out of it in court".
Our justice system is far from perfect, but seeing as its there its not up to the newspapers or the general public to be doling out punishments until a guilty verdict has been reached.
Not to mention the fact that in many cases men can lose their jobs, freinds, and respectability only to be proved innocent and STILL not get anything more than "oh so he wriggled out of it in court".
Our justice system is far from perfect, but seeing as its there its not up to the newspapers or the general public to be doling out punishments until a guilty verdict has been reached.
Agreed. If he is guilty of these additional crimes it's for a court to decide.
How many times have innocents been lambasted by the media? Too many.
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He has had three guilty convictions, one here for 2 yrs, one in the states for 9 years, then back here for an historical case from 1980, 2 years, currently out on licence for 2 years.
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Accusations are just that.... accusations.
All of you acting like you should go around beating people up based on accusations you need to get your head checked out.
This is why we have a judicial system. Innocent until proven guilt.
All of you acting like you should go around beating people up based on accusations you need to get your head checked out.
This is why we have a judicial system. Innocent until proven guilt.
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I think our judicial system fails, when you have been found guilty of paedophilia three times, you shouldn't be out and about.
You had adequately demonstrated there is no current method to rehabilitate you. Your desires persist.
You have also demonstrated that you will act upon your desires, over and over.
You need to be locked up until such times as you are not of danger to the community.
This may be never.
It usually only happens in the case of child murder rapists. I believe it should happen more in the case of those who repeatedly sexually offend.
Who says? The law doesn't. Or do you think crimes like he did means it should be a life sentence?
What about other crimes people feel strongly about?
How much of the population are you going to keep locked up?
Good job you arent a judge.
Who says? Those convictions were all for crimes at that rough same period of time. He might never have committed an offence again.,
I seriously doubt all these footballers coming forward were coached by him after he got released from prison (or I would hope so)
So where is the evidence that he has committed an offence again or is this trial by media again?
You are making massive assumptions and jumping to conclusions cause it fits your outrage.
So what will you say if it turns out hes never committed another crime since been inside?
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Well how many times should a paedophile be sent to prison and released before we consider making it a life sentence?
Serious question, in your opinion.
I don't think there's any suggestion the offenses which have been highlighted in the media in the last week took place after he'd been convicted: they're all historic.
And the convictions were all for offenses which took place prior to his first conviction.
And the convictions were all for offenses which took place prior to his first conviction.
I havent thought about it before but thats not the case here is it and thats my point?
And it would have to be new offences since the first jail sentence. No point saying right you did that crime in 1980 - 2 years inside. Oh we found another one you did in 1979 - 5 years. Oh heres another one in 1978 - thats life mate.
Which is what you seem to be advocating here.
Why not let the judicial system deal with him?
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So you would have this same opinion with a murderer?
Oh forget those earlier murders, let's concentrate on the ones now.
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I will and it will.
I haven't been suggesting lynch him on the street.
I wouldn't have him on the street.
He didn't admit his other historical abuse.
Thats one thing, so when you say ' oh we've found another' it doesn't matter when it happened. When he raped the kid and got caught, he would have had chances to admit his other acts of paedophilia.
I also think his second offence might have occurred after his first release. So it was a reoffence. And indeed i think he travelled to the US to rape young boys there for the second convicted offence, as no doubt it would be easier to evade detection.
Not until the bible and missionary types who went to east asia to spend their holidays buggering boys and raping girls far away from the watchful eyes of 'safeguarding'.
I think our justice system does need some level at which a crime becomes the last one we allow you free to commit, especially in the case of paedophilia, where it is an innate attraction, can't be physically or physilogically removed from a person. Those who act upon this desire, and do it more than once have demostrated no rehab and no threat of jail will stop them. So the criminal justice system should.
You said you had not thought about it before, think about it now, should we have a limit on how often we release a paedophile?
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The only satisfactory outcome for a pad is death. Unfortunately, that's not something we can do over here.
I wish he was dead tbh. It's one of the worst crimes imaginable.
I wish he was dead tbh. It's one of the worst crimes imaginable.
I'm not saying forget them. Try the person and sentence them. But you can't then say that person isn't reformed and needs locking up for life (although in the case of murder just one can get you life anyway) when all their crimes are historical and before they were convicted for the the first crime.
Or are you saying that every person who commits more than one crime means that's it, jailed for life and no early release?
So a burglar who has burgled 20 houses gets life too? After he hasn't reformed after his fir burglar.y and kept doing and clearly he will never change.
