'Outrage as police officers armed with huge guns pose with children at Christmas market'
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OK that is fair enough. But then you just keep alternating the situation to suit certain criteria, but yes fair enough the cops will shoot an attacker if/when it's safe to do so that's fair enough.
But if someone goes to lengths to make themselves impervious to tasers, then why would they carry out their attack near someone armed with GUNS? It's a bit silly unless it's part of the plan and it's suicidal attack?
There are many more places an attack can happen where there aren't any armed people than a place where there are armed people. Yes the cops are "protecting" a certain area but what about when you go into the alleyway?
According to this we are certainly heading toward martial law where people will not be able to bear going out without army patrol at every single street corner.
Can't people see how the terrorists have won? It's disgusting. We allowed them to win on 9/11 and we allow them to keep winning because our way of life is only getting more ****ed. We change to cater for them. We relinquish our civil liberties in exchange for protection of corporate buildings. Our reaction on 9/11 was utterly stupid, we showed them all that they had won and can win very easily.
It's just rather amazing how much safer people seem to feel with armed people around. What happens when you go round the corner and you cant see the armed police any more? The fear must be unbearable? The chances of you getting attacked go through the roof? It's always good hearing public's views and feeling on matters such as this though. Can put together a fairly accurate picture of what the future will be like. Doesn't look good at all.
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I rather we all keep far more bees to deal with the dying bee population, obtain local honey to tackle hay-fever and make terrorist statistics seem insignificant by comparison.
The Police can't patrol everywhere at all times, so they should just not bother at all? Is that your logic? For all you know the Police could be acting on an intelligence tip that indicated an attack could happen there.
I'm not saying they shouldn't bother at all, I'm saying randomly deployed officers in particular aren't actually mitigating any threat from a terrorist/plan. As I said in my first post, you need prior intelligence for that, if you're acting on intelligence then it's not a random officer armed with a gun any more is it?
Yes of course you can pre-emptively deploy officers at certain commercial buildings and landmarks and hopes that any attacker is going to do their business at said location. It's not really stopping "terrorism" when there are other things which are fuelling terrorism.
You've created a conditionality. "police could be acting on a tip" Yeah it's a good act to start posing with children then isn't it?
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You obviously don't understand the concept of a deterrent very well. High visibility policing in a high profile area will make people think twice about conducting an attack there, and to a lesser extant anywhere. Furthermore, after these photos and news stories every tom, dick and harry in the land knows there's an increase of overt armed police patrols in Newcastle city centre - I'd be willing to bet it's less likely to suffer from a terrorist attack as a result.I'm not saying they shouldn't bother at all, I'm saying randomly deployed officers in particular aren't actually mitigating any threat from a terrorist/plan.
You've created a conditionality. "police could be acting on a tip" Yeah it's a good act to start posing with children then isn't it?
I'm not saying they shouldn't bother at all, I'm saying randomly deployed officers in particular aren't actually mitigating any threat from a terrorist/plan. As i said in my first post, you need intelligence for that, if you're acting on intelligence then it's not a random officer armed with a gun any more is it?
You've created a conditionality. "police could be acting on a tip" Yeah it's a good act to start posing with children then isn't it?
The Police will most likely post Armed units to very busy areas that could potentially be targeted similar to the numerous attacks that have claimed the lives of around 250 people in France over the past 2 years, it provides public reassurance, could potentially discourage an attack that otherwise would've happened, and also they could react very quickly to an attack that was happening nearby.
This is obvious stuff really, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel to complain about Armed Police being on the streets protecting civilians
Haha EXACTLY.
"an attack there" So they will simply go round the corner where there isn't an armed officer protecting everybody. Unless they actively want to do it "there".
No wonder false sense of security is such a massive and efficient tool to erode civil liberty. People don't have a clue what's actually happening. The terrorists are winning and it's disgusting.
There is no such thing as a chance of a terrorist attack occurring, it happens if there is a particular individual out there who wants it to happen, that is nothing to do with probability. What data are you feeding into your calibrated probability assessment exactly?
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The same could be said for all crimes and deterrents, should we pull up all speed bumps, speed cameras, CCTV and stop all police patrols?Haha EXACTLY.
"an attack there" So they will simply go round the corner where there isn't an armed officer protecting everybody.
No wonder false sense of security is such a massive thing to erode civil liberty.
I'm going to stop feeding the troll now.
Haha EXACTLY.
"an attack there" So they will simply go round the corner where there isn't an armed officer protecting everybody.
No wonder false sense of security is such a massive thing to erode civil liberty.
How is it eroding civil liberty? You are not being oppressed by the presence of people who are there to protect you and are happily smiling and interacting with the public. You're talking rubbish at this point.
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Police need guns, it commands respect.
I bet if most of the cops carried Assault rifles, you would not get lippy little teenagers mouthing off.
I do not think many would resist arrest with a live weapon in their faces, bring it on, armed police make me feel much more secure.
Police all have handguns here, it is great. Nobody messes, at all.
I bet if most of the cops carried Assault rifles, you would not get lippy little teenagers mouthing off.
I do not think many would resist arrest with a live weapon in their faces, bring it on, armed police make me feel much more secure.
Police all have handguns here, it is great. Nobody messes, at all.
If you think a little more that's not what I'm complaining about. I'm complaining about us changing our way of lives to cater for terrorists.
Another quick thought, back in WW2, kids grew up with much more stigma of weaponry, it really was part of life for them and they went about every day life seeing much worse, My parents did (I'm really old) this is nothing compared to that.
It is sad that we live in a world of time where this is needed, but its nothing more than a sign of the times, not the Police officers that are armed fault, don't think anyone really thinks that? If anything its world leaders past and present that bought about this situation, that's another debate though, just saying.
It is sad that we live in a world of time where this is needed, but its nothing more than a sign of the times, not the Police officers that are armed fault, don't think anyone really thinks that? If anything its world leaders past and present that bought about this situation, that's another debate though, just saying.
A super-cynical stance (that I personally need a shovel load of salt to swallow) is that a population gripped in fear is easy to control, which works in great favour of any government.
Also fear sells. It's easier for news outlets to make cash by scaring people than to make them feel content.
Also fear sells. It's easier for news outlets to make cash by scaring people than to make them feel content.
Yep I am talking rubbish at this point. When martial law is finally imposed and the army patrol every street corner and shoot anyone who is out after the curfew like we want them to in order to protect us from the terror; we will not be at liberty, and terror will have ultimately, won.
I'm really sorry. I will stop posting rubbish now. We'll see what happens in 10/25/50 years.
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I get that, genuinely, it's a massive inconvenience having to mess about taking small liquids on flights, I would love to be able to go into the Cockpit and meet the Pilots like you used to be able to do on flights. But conversely I really hated seeing 3,000 people killed in September 2001, that was probably worse for them than what I have to suffer as a result. I have no issues with Armed Police though, they're mitigating the chance of me being killed whilst being out in a public place. I've never had any issues with the Police at any time, whether here or in America (White privilege I know).
Yep I am talking rubbish at this point. When martial law is finally imposed and the army patrol every street corner and shoot anyone who is out after the curfew like we want them to in order to protect us from the terror; we will not be at liberty, and terror will have ultimately, won.
I'm really sorry. I will stop posting rubbish now. We'll see what happens in 10/25/50 years.
Armed Police in public was the case 10, 25 and 50 years ago though, and we haven't yet descended into a Police state, there isn't an Army patrol on every corner (imagine the cost of that to the tax payer). There are no curfews in place. When that does happen though I'll be one of the first to protest.
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You do realise police officers have legs (and even cars) right? They can move...
Yep I am talking rubbish at this point. When martial law is finally imposed and the army patrol every street corner and shoot anyone who is out after the curfew like we want them to in order to protect us from the terror; we will not be at liberty, and terror will have ultimately, won.
I'm really sorry. I will stop posting rubbish now. We'll see what happens in 10/25/50 years.
Yes you are being silly
Mainland uk hasn't had martial law implimented in hundreds of years.
Nothing suggests its likley in the next ten except the delusional fantasies of people wanting to feel important.
Gosh thanks for trolling me after I have promised to stop.
This is about street patrol. According to that logic it is fine to have them in a station since they can be deployed to any location. Which I am fine with. I am not against having stationed armed police.