All police to have degrees!

[asim18]

sorry but what has a stupid censorship law thought up by Mrs May got to do with police education requirements.

Because laws require policing?

Because it's a stupid law which requires special people to uphold? We've already had a police officer confirm that Mrs May isn't popular with current police officers! Probably for this very reason! She needs more compliance to actually usefully criminalise absurd things. The obviously ridiculous laws are most probably simply a testing law to separate real compliant ones to the people who can identify absurdity.

 

[neil_g]

Because laws require policing?

well you've got me there.

Because it's a stupid law which requires special people to uphold? We've already had a police officer confirm that Mrs May isn't popular with current police officers! Probably for this very reason! They need more compliance.

again, how does that tie your repeated female ejaculation comments to a police officers education level?

 

[jsmoke]

Police are generally pretty more clued up than your average Joe anyway. Always found it a bit amsuing that places in the US will refuse police recruits if they are found to be too smart, i.e higher IQ's.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/court-police-departments-refuse-hire-smart/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy...ce_officially_refuse_to_hire_applicants_with/

 

[tom_e]

Nice one No, I'm not into squirting videos.

I just like bringing it up again and again because of how much of an absolute joke it is, and people don't seem to be voicing how much of a joke it is PURELY for the reason that they will be thought of as someone who is into such stuff. So well done, well done.

People like you are an accessory to such stupid laws. I already explained in the relevant thread how people who question this stupid law will be labelled as supporters. And how this makes the law 100% likely to go through simply because people won't say NO purely for risking being associated with female ejaculation.

So well done, people like you are the reason this country is going to ****. Keep up nonsense like this and at this rate in 100 years if not sooner, everybody will be obliged to wear the burka because showing cleavage will be an unconventional sex act.

Well done people making assumptions like you are all that is wrong in the world.

Who says I agree with it, I just find it very strange that you keep bringing it up in a topic that has absolutely nothing to do with it but carry on.

It's not right up there on my porn/sex checklist but a little every now and again never hurt anyone.

Oh noes, am I now going to be thought as as one of those people into such stuff?

 

[asim18]

Well done people making assumptions like you are all that is wrong in the world.

Who says I agree with it, I just find it very strange that you keep bringing it up in a topic that has absolutely nothing to do with it but carry on.

I didn't say you agree with it. I said it's false to assume someone who's merely against the law is actually into the said fetish. That is why the law was/is 100% bound to succeed, because that is what people will do.

You really think the introduction of more and more absurd laws doesn't require any changes or modification to the people who are supposed to be sincerely upholding said laws?

 

[tom_e]

I didn't say you agree with it. I said it's false to assume someone who's merely against the law is actually into the said fetish. That is why the law was/is 100% bound to succeed, because that is what people will do.

You really think the introduction of more and more absurd laws doesn't require any changes or modification to the people who are supposed to be sincerely upholding said laws?

What difference is continuously bringing it up in totally unrelated threads on a forum going to make? As you've seen from my response it doesn't make me think "Oh he's right you know" it makes me think "Oh there he goes banging on about some totally unrelated rubbish again".

You want to make a different lobby your MP, make an actual well thought out and written response and get people behind you.
Don't just randomly drop in it anywhere you may vaguely be able to fit it into the conversation.

Again you're assuming from my response to you that I haven't voiced my concerns about seemingly innocuous laws like that being brought in to someone who could actually help push a change in the government even though it's probably rather futile. So you can take your "People like you" rubbish and place it somewhere uncomfortable.

In short it's not always your subject content I'm knocking but the way you're putting it across.

 

[Gaygle]

Bit hypocritical no? Aren't you the one literally trolling with a post like that?

2+2 is absolute. There's no argument if someone says 2+2=5 then something has already been confirmed, your assumption that absolute mathematical problems are worth arguing about is false. The things I argue for/against are not absolute, that's why I discuss them.

Asim, I've skim read most of your posts so far and none of them has even been worthy of a reply because your opinions and anecdotes on this topic are, frankly, hilarious.

Stop arguing about things you know nothing about is probably the best tip I can give you.

 

[Sliver]

If all the police officers needed degrees, we wouldn't have many police officers.

 

[Gaygle]

Great another pointless degree being added to our long list of offerings.

For specialist policing units, then yes absolutely a degree is needed - for example the cyber unit. But considering most of the police force have just a general role of driving/patrolling, what a waste of time a degree is going to be.

The funny thing is that our force have just recruited a whole bunch of computer science students fresh out of uni - they're giving them £26000 a year starting salary, along with 18 months of training courses and until they have completed these training courses, they are as good as useless and literally sit in the office all day on their phones.

Once they have done their 18months of free training courses, costing thousands for the force, they will most likely leave the job to join a proper IT company with further qualifications and experience courtesy of the tax payer.

For reference, a new police officer starts on £19k a year and is expected to shoulder the responsibility of society, be assaulted, spat at, abused and put in danger. It's just ridiculous.

I have a good science degree myself but I work with colleagues who do not, and they are more than able to do their jobs just fine, just like they have been able to for the last 100 years. Further more, we do not undertake complex cyber crime investigations or similar - so why does EVERY officer need to have a degree??

 

[Gaygle]

If all the police officers needed degrees, we wouldn't have many police officers.

Not of the older generation officers you wouldn't but like in any job these days, more and more newbies have degrees than years ago.

The thing is with police officers without degrees - they don't have a formal qualification, but they are very multi-skilled, resilient and resourceful. When you see some of things that the civilian workers/private sector workers whine about (myself included when I was private sector!) that officers put up with without question, you forget just how resilient you have to be.

The biggest whine that officers make is stuff getting in the way of them wanting to do their jobs.

 

[tom_e]

But then on the flip side having a degree doesn't automatically remove any of that resilience or lose those skills.

I still role my eyes at some of the whining from people now I'm in a 9 to 5 office job considering some of the stuff I had to put up with when security was my main job.
The company I worked for then didn't employ any old thug they employed decent smart staff many of us having degrees and doing full time jobs as teachers/managers/etc. It meant we were very highly regarded when it came to getting new work as not only were we good at it but there was a lack of mindless morons.

 

[Roar87]

They would've probably been more successful pulling 18 year old layabouts from 4chan who are interested in hacking and scripting than paying a load of Computer Science graduates £26k a year. We'll learn one day, formal education doesn't always produce the best people for a given job. My job requires a degree at most companies, only 1 out of the 4 of us who do it here has a degree, and it's not of any relevance to the job.

 

[Spook187]

The coppers will still do you for eating an apple at the wheel instead of going after real criminals with a degree will they.

 

[Sliver]

The coppers will still do you for eating an apple at the wheel instead of going after real criminals with a degree will they.

No they'll give you a questionnaire on moral relativity and make you complete it in under 6 minutes.

 

[SPG]

I feel for the police, toothless due to the PC brigade. Oh apart from traffic cops I hate them

 

[Tunney]

I feel for the police, toothless due to the PC brigade. Oh apart from traffic cops I hate them

The police are the PC brigade?

 

[h4rm0ny]

This is my own view and only based on my experience of my own Force.

PCSO's haven't replaced Officers. They're in addition. Some are funded directly by Parish Councils.

They're actively embedded in the neighbourhood teams. They're used for a myriad of things that really doesn't require a Warranted Police Officer to do.

Collecting CCTV for lower level volume crime, such as Shoplifting
Collecting Found Property
Speed Awareness Campaigns
Smart Water Role Out
Contacting local Community Groups
Panna Football events (we have our own Kit in my Division which we bought for the Local Kids)
Reassurance to victims of low level crimes (PCSO's will be tasked to revisit them rather than a Police Officer)
ASB Hotspot Patrols
Public Events

They do an awful lot. I know it probably differs from area to area and like Police Officers there are good and bad, but I've not met a poor one that I work with.

They're a good source of information too. They know the local kids and youths, they can identify Offenders from CCTV, they get told things by the Community that wouldn't be told to a Police Officer and guess what? They then tell us

It allows me on the front line to concentrate on what I should be doing, not collecting things etc.

You are right about Police being tied up in paperwork - every so often the Government announce a crackdown on admin, but then it gradually creeps back. That said Paperwork is important. If you want a good successful conviction you want the admin side of things to be watertight. In a lot of cases acquittals aren't due to a lack of evidence, its down to Solicitors and Barristers exposing shoddy paperwork, cutting corners, not adhering to policies and destroying the credibility of Officers in front of the Court and Jury.

My wife has just become a PCSO and they are nothing like cut price PC's. They do a different job mostly, only sometimes they assist PC's for things like scene guarding,events or some operations etc.

Her tutor and the teachers on her course both are normal PCs and they say PCSOs are invaluable to them because of info they can get etc.

Thanks for both replies. I seem to be wrong on this one, then. I think there is a common perception that PCOs are a replacement for police as people comment about how you never see police anymore, just these. But it looks like such comments are misplaced. I'll update my opinions accordingly!

 

[h4rm0ny]

The funny thing is that our force have just recruited a whole bunch of computer science students fresh out of uni - they're giving them £26000 a year starting salary, along with 18 months of training courses and until they have completed these training courses, they are as good as useless and literally sit in the office all day on their phones.

Once they have done their 18months of free training courses, costing thousands for the force, they will most likely leave the job to join a proper IT company with further qualifications and experience courtesy of the tax payer.

For reference, a new police officer starts on £19k a year and is expected to shoulder the responsibility of society, be assaulted, spat at, abused and put in danger. It's just ridiculous.

I have a good science degree myself but I work with colleagues who do not, and they are more than able to do their jobs just fine, just like they have been able to for the last 100 years. Further more, we do not undertake complex cyber crime investigations or similar - so why does EVERY officer need to have a degree??

If CS graduates are being hired to do programming then a degree would be a good idea, imo. If they're being hired to manage networks and access, then not a degree but other qualifications would still seem useful. If they are at all being hired to do work that is wholly dependent on internal software specific to the police or basic IT forensic work, then it's absurd to require such things as all relevant training will be done post-hiring.

 

[TheVoice]

You think you know how the Police work, but you don't.

Indeed, which is why I find it surprising he continues to steam into arguments thinking he does. You'd think repeatedly being proven wrong would dissuade that behaviour.

But considering most of the police force have just a general role of driving/patrolling, what a waste of time a degree is going to be.

That's a million miles from the reality of the job though, there's more to it than just sitting in a car all day waiting for "a crime" to happen.

As someone with a degree in Police Studies, I'm not entirely sure how this is going to equip PCs for the job in a way that their initial training and probationary period won't. I enjoyed my degree a lot, it's a subject I'm passionate about and it's helped with my particular choice of career but I can't think of much I covered in those three years that would be of great use to a police officer.

That said, learning is learning. Ultimately though a police officer throughout their career is going to sit through many courses, many exams/tests and do a lot of learning as they progress so why can't those be turned into recognised qualifications instead?

 

[Burnsy2023]

But considering most of the police force have just a general role of driving/patrolling, what a waste of time a degree is going to be.

Hampshire split their officers into four "commands": Response and Patrol, Neighbourhood and Prevention, Investigations and Specialist Units, what we call the Joint Operations Unit which is shared with Thames Valley Police.

Guess which one is the biggest by headcount? Investigations, by far. Investigations are getting increasingly more complex and that's not taking into account all the safeguarding of victims. Even Response and Patrol, do 75% responding and perhaps 25% patrolling.

Most people have no idea what most police officers do on a daily basis.