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The issue with political correctness, is those inflicted with it feel a need to rush to the defence of any group or individual who they feel isn't getting a fair hearing or is at the end of ill feeling. That's all well and good, but frankly too often it means blinkered arguments that seek to rationalise and justify things to the detriment of the blindingly obvious and seek to redirect irrational behaviour on the basis of a 'yea but' argument. It is a cancer on modern society and because of it we now have a black and white nation who can only argue based on diametrically opposed views. Rational argument and the blindingly obvious become abhorrent to the PC and bigot and it simply makes these debates a them and us argument that removes the point at hand and makes it a 'i'm going to learn you good' debate that ends up miles away at the aforementioned blindingly obvious.

Every single thread on terrorism demonstrates that, be it here or anywhere and we always get the same "let's not jump to conclusions when it usually ends up being the blindingly obvious" because that is the PC way and we may upset a *********.
 
ak22 said:
Yes is does mention them? But you must the read the Quran to understand them like other books, if you read one sentence out of chapter your are not going to understand it are you?

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Reality is there are rather different interpretations and significant numbers of people who do believe that certain violent acts are justified by their faith. This is a serious problem with Islam that really doesn't happen to anywhere near the same extent with other religions.
 
Tummy said:
What is wrong with the hijab?

Also; that article is absolute tosh.

These 'courts' have no legal standing.
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I don't have a problem with Muslims wearing the hijab, but I don't like the Muslims who wear the niqab. I like to see a persons face when I'm talking to them. I also believe it demeans women by forcing them to cover up.
 
dowie said:
Plenty of extremist groups originate (and are funded by Saudi), I don't believe we've invaded Saudi recently?

Ditto to Iran and Pakistan.

ISIS has certainly been helped by the previous invasion of Iraq but has also been helped by the refusal of the Shia majority Government to play nicely with the minority Sunni leaders.
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Saudi is one big terrorist group, they just have a formal government and a country to call their own. They want to destabilize the Middle East for their own gain, much like everyone else.

The Middle East has been a pawn for thousands of years used and abused by the East and the West.
 
Tummy said:
What is wrong with the hijab?

Also; that article is absolute tosh.

These 'courts' have no legal standing.
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Not entirely true, if you agree to be bound by the result of an arbitration service then their ruling certainly can have legal standing.

Though more importantly, some people (women in particular) can easily become victims of these courts when their community/family has expectations for them to use and adhere to the rulings of them. Pointing out that they're technically not real courts in that instance is rather moot as it makes little difference to the real world effect they can have on people (lest they want to essentially disown their families and move from their communities).

Still this thread is about a terror attack not dodgy arbitration services/'courts'
 
The Running Man said:
Where do you live? Maybe try living in Rochdale, oldham, Bradford etc house prices are cheap enough.


Most of the moderate sympathisers live in places that they don't have to face the issue I've noticed.
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rofl the "issue" a large population of Muslims? that's how immigration works mate, people from the same country/background/religion tend to like to live with people who speak their language, culture and religion. Happens everywhere, always has and always will.

The only real issue is the one your making yourself.

Also Sharia courts don't affect you, they aren't legal bodies.
 
Housey said:
Every single thread on terrorism demonstrates that, be it here or anywhere and we always get the same "let's not jump to conclusions when it usually ends up being the blindingly obvious" because that is the PC way and we may upset a *********.
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Well no, it stems from the whole innocent till proven guilty
 
Casdawer said:
Saudi is one big terrorist group, they just have a formal government and a country to call their own. They want to destabilize the Middle East for their own gain, much like everyone else.
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I'm not sure that destabalising the region is their goal so much as it is a product of some of their actions

The Middle East has been a pawn for thousands of years used and abused by the East and the West.
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What are you referring to re: the East?
 
Sliver said:
I don't have a problem with Muslims wearing the hijab, but I don't like the Muslims who wear the niqab. I like to see a persons face when I'm talking to them. I also believe it demeans women by forcing them to cover up.
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I would suggest that this is the case with most people no? Though, ostensibly I don't mind what people decide to wear, the problem lies within the shift from the niqab being worn through the woman choice, or forced.

StriderX said:
Law only has power if you believe in it, it is hardly innate.

So if Muslims in the UK believe in Sharia, then it exists to whatever extent.
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So... what? Just what?

There is no Sharia 'law' in the United Kingdom.
 
I guess that one time the Mongols came and went, but by and large it was the Middle-east attacking the east, mostly India where a massive amount of Sikhs died.
 
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