Truck crashes into Christmas market in Berlin

[Chris Wilson]

I am saying they don't have any justification over U.K law, its not United kingdom law...

Jurisdiction, not justification....

 

[Brenn47]

I'm annoyed by this, we've not long come through being bombed weekly by the IRA, now we get a load of idiots leading us to potentially decades of the same.

I see no end to it.

I guess the next step is arming all police and the Army patrolling the streets.

 

[CapitalOne]

Like Brexit, we've all made our minds up on who is right and who is wrong. Thankfully (to both 'sides') a bunch of blokes on an internet computer forum is about as representative of society as a whole as Islamic extremists are of Islam in general.

If it helps, I think it's a bit like football fans. I am sure the vast majority are nice people, but sometimes they appear to be hateful thugs, and hurt/kill people. I don't like/understand football so would i go to a game? No way. Do I expect them to pay for thier own policing or damage? Yes. If I saw a train full of them would I avoid it based on the above? Absolutely. I do not go around calling them all thugs though.

 

[CapitalOne]

The Russians send loads illegal aliens back to the `stans, they round `em up regularly and off they go, back over the borders. Here's a video of a gang of them going back home. We can send them back, we just don't have many governments in the EU with the will to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUhRZH7PJmc

Absolutely.

As long as you are happy living in a state like Russia

 

[richthomuk]

If the KKK had been driving lorries into people in France and Germany conducting mass shootings in Paris etc... I think you'd find rather a lot of people getting upset and questioning why an American hate group is attacking us. But they aren't and it doesn't make much sense that they would. They're not very comparable.

You seem to be confusing the idea that there is a problem within Islam with the condemnation of all Muslims.

I'm not confusing anything, can you disprove anything in my posts? I used the example of the KKK because it was a group that would happily say it was doing something in the name of god, perhaps I should have used the example of the Catholic church supporting a Hutu regime before, during and after genocide and not just supporting it but physically profiting from it, now that was a church... We have crazy radicals doing it in the name of their god but there is widespread condemnation of Muslims whether they are perpetrators of terror attacks or not.

All of my posts have simply been saying that Islam is not the problem, its individuals, and crazy crazy extremist groups using religion as an excuse, just like Christians have done for hundreds if not thousands of years. We cant just paint all Muslims as being terrorists, which is something many people on this forum love doing.

 

[Arazi]

Like Brexit, we've all made our minds up on who is right and who is wrong. Thankfully (to both 'sides') a bunch of blokes on an internet computer forum is about as representative of society as a whole as Islamic extremists are of Islam in general.

If it helps, I think it's a bit like football fans. I am sure the vast majority are nice people, but sometimes they appear to be hateful thugs, and hurt/kill people. I don't like/understand football so would i go to a game? No way. Do I expect them to pay for thier own policing or damage? Yes. If I saw a train full of them would I avoid it based on the above? Absolutely. I do not go around calling them all thugs though.

The apologists minority card spun like a yarn right there, say what it is rather than compare terrorists to football thugs, i need captain facepalm ffs.

 

[CapitalOne]

It's an analogy, no yard spun, why is it different? If you can't just say "I disagree because...." just ignore it. :captain facepalm:

Are you a football fan?

 

[richthomuk]

It's an analogy, no yard spun, why is it different? If you can't just say "I disagree because...." just ignore it. :captain facepalm:

Are you a football fan?

haha dont be silly, they dont do that on here. If they disagree it means they have to understand their own counter argument, which I think is beyond some on here, so instead they just say things like "apologists" and hide behind smart comments.

 

[Arazi]

It's an analogy, no yard spun, why is it different? If you can't just say "I disagree because...." just ignore it. :captain facepalm:

Are you a football fan?

Nope, never liked football.

e: I also get what you are trying to say in your football analogy, the core of it may have some truth in it, after that they tread two very different aggressive paths.

One of them more so, so comparing them will only get you a very small similarity.

 

[Skunkworks]

All of my posts have simply been saying that Islam is not the problem, its individuals, and crazy crazy extremist groups using religion as an excuse...

What if the ideology is such that it has a propensity to produce such individuals and extremist groups?

We cant just paint all Muslims as being terrorists, which is something many people on this forum love doing.

That's strange, becuase I can't recall the last post I saw that blames all Muslims. What I do see a lot of is those who claim everyone else is blaming all Muslims, your post being one of them.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Hmmm well i remember at least one in the last few pages suggesting genocide as a genuine solution....

Obviously it wasnt long before the comment deleted and the user suspended. I see a lot of other deleted posts and the posts by mods after suggest it was the generalisation of Muslims as the reason

 

[Arazi]

What if the ideology is such that it has a propensity to produce such individuals and extremist groups?

That's strange, because I can't recall the last post I saw that blames all Muslims. What I do see a lot of is those who claim everyone else is blaming all Muslims, your post being one of them.

This, never in these threads have i read anyone say all muslims are terrorists, it is as you say.

It happens in every Islam\Muslim thread.

 

[CapitalOne]

It won't until people see the real problem... Islam.

Without Islam in the west you wouldn't have muslims killing over here because their book says so.

If there was no islam rhere would be no "islamic extremists".

But they aren't using islam to justify thier actions, islam is the cause of thier actions.

To be clear, what are you defining as 'fundamental islamists'?

Muslims who have the belief that Sharia Law should be implemented in the country they live in?
Muslims that think honour killings are 'sometimes' justified?
Muslims that can sympathise and understand why someone might resort to suicide bombing?

This video is clearly biased from the start so I'm happy for you to just go hurrdurr biased source. And yes he's extrapolating a lot, but to imply that there aren't a lot of 'fundamental Islamists' is a bit naive. If anything out of the main religions out there Islam is probably the religion practised at a fundamental level the most.

Those who have peaceful muslim friends..

I'm sorry, but the minority does not represent the majority.
I am sure that plenty of germans were fine, normal caring people during WW2..

I'm probably being a bit trite on some of these, but that's page one.

This, never in these threads have i read anyone say all muslims are terrorists, it is as you say.

It happens in every Islam\Muslim thread.

I'm not picking on you, and to be exact they don't say all muslims are terrorists, but they do infer the solution is to get rid of all muslims (from non muslim countries).

 

[richthomuk]

That's strange, becuase I can't recall the last post I saw that blames all Muslims. What I do see a lot of is those who claim everyone else is blaming all Muslims, your post being one of them.

This, never in these threads have i read anyone say all muslims are terrorists, it is as you say.

It happens in every Islam\Muslim thread.

Just start from page one and read on, including reading the reasons of deleted thread posts, it wont take long before you have to start using your toes to count them.

As for...

What if the ideology is such that it has a propensity to produce such individuals and extremist groups?

I'm guessing you are unaware of the huge amount of mass killings that happen in Christian countries, neither the individual portraid as a terrorist nor the religion sighted as a reason by the majority of western media even when the killers have claimed to have done it in the name of god, but instead simply just branded as crazy individuals over and over again.

Hmmm well i remember at least one in the last few pages suggesting genocide as a genuine solution....

Obviously it wasnt long before the comment deleted and the user suspended. I see a lot of other deleted posts and the posts by mods after suggest it was the generalisation of Muslims as the reason

lol, dont give facts, they dont like that

 

[Amp34]

Weird that some peoples first thoughts are to defend a religion rather than think about the victims of an attack.

No more so than others first thoughts being attacking a religion, rather than thinking about the victims.

It's worth remembering which came first in this thread...

 

[Dis86]

Just start from page one and read on, including reading the reasons of deleted thread posts, it wont take long before you have to start using your toes to count them.

As for...


I'm guessing you are unaware of the huge amount of mass killings that happen in Christian countries, neither the individual portraid as a terrorist nor the religion sighted as a reason by the majority of western media even when the killers have claimed to have done it in the name of god, but instead simply just branded as crazy individuals over and over again.



lol, dont give facts, they dont like that

Facts? Where are your sources for these huge amounts of mass killings carried out in the name of Christianity?

 

[frankel1414]

Just start from page one and read on, including reading the reasons of deleted thread posts, it wont take long before you have to start using your toes to count them.....

What exactly are you interpreting from the word 'no'?

 

[Amp34]

I usually steer clear of these types of discussions on here, but Christ, this is getting bad. There are far, far too many apologists on here. Islam, as it stands, it not just a religion, its a culture that gives women limited rights and homosexuals absolutely zero rights (including the right to live), at least in the Middle East.

We've had #prayfororlando, #prayforparis, #prayfornice, etc. Sooner or later it's going to be #prayforlondon. When Sadiq Kahn says that the threat of a terrorist attack is "part and parcel of living in a major city", you know that us in the west have become weak. With that being said, I'm not supporting going to war with the Middle East or anything like that. We just need to stop letting so many unvetted "refugees" into the West. Our values are incompatible with the values of the homeland these "refugees" are fleeing, and they hate us for it.

It's sickening to watch one attack after another, while we twiddle our thumb, cry out "RACIST" against anyone who calls it how it is, and do nothing.

Unfortunately you're mixing up culture with religion. We in the west are very liberal and have no issues with homosexuality. People in other parts of the world aren't. Specific religions have little to do with it (although religion in itself can be used). A good example is Africa, where most countries on the continent have made homosexuality illegal, including predominantly Christian countries like Uganda where homosexuality can get you life imprisonment*.

Have a look - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Africa

Religious leaning has little to do with it, rather cultural upbringing, largely liberal western nations vs most of the rest of the world.

*A provision for the death penalty only narrowly got defeated when the legislation was written a couple of years ago.

 

[Amp34]

So Muslim women who are under pressure to adhere to these courts are simply 'stupid' if they chose to not desert their family/community?

If only life were that simple.

Out of interest, if you think there is so much pressure to adhere to these non legal "courts" why do you think banning these "courts" would make any difference?

 

[richthomuk]

Facts? Where are your sources for these huge amounts of mass killings carried out in the name of Christianity?

The Charleston church massacre committed by Dylann Roof.

The Rwandan Genocide was massively done in the name of God even down to where passages of the bible were used to encourage people to kill.

The Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shootings

Just to name a few.

Nothing against Christianity, just trying to point out how silly it is to blame a religion.