Why do we care about a number in the grand scheme of things?

[FoxEye]

Oh OK then. Didn't realise we were doing pseudo religious nonsense. My bad.

And yeah, like it or not, there is an increasing probability that any day could be your last, the older you get.

Otherwise insurance companies are doing it all wrong.

 

[FoxEye]

More nonsense.

All life dies. Death is a conditional factor of life. There is no "chance" when it comes to death.

The state of being alive, equals death. Just because you're 50, doesn't mean you're more likely to die compared to someone who's just been born lmao.

I'm afraid it does. The older you get, the worse your cells get at dividing correctly.

We don't yet understand why we age (and die), but we do know that an older person's cells just do not work as well. You're much more likely to develop cancer and other conditions than when you're young.

What part of this is surprising to you?

 

[asim18]

Oh OK then. Didn't realise we were doing pseudo religious nonsense. My bad.

And yeah, like it or not, there is an increasing probability that any day could be your last, the older you get.

Otherwise insurance companies are doing it all wrong.

What on earth is "pseudo religion" and how is the fact that death is an inevitable to ALL life (at least human) got to do with religion???

Now you've just changed adolf's original statement lmao. Death is not a chance, it is a guaranteed inevitability of life. The original statement was "the higher the number of birthdays you've had, the higher your chance of dying." which is absolutely incorrect. As I have explained every living thing has the same "chance" of dying from the second it is conceived, it is absolute, there are no "chances".

A person who has been living a long time is closer to death. But that doesn't mean it affects the "chances" of dying which are still absolutely 100% definite no matter what your age is lmao. All life dies, there is no chances involved, the second you are born, you are definitely going to die sooner or later.

 

[FoxEye]

Don't be an idiot, asim. Yes, we all die. Even a kindergartener knows this.

I'm out. Go argue with a bus.

 

[asim18]

I'm afraid it does. The older you get, the worse your cells get at dividing correctly.

We don't yet understand why we age (and die), but we do know that an older person's cells just do not work as well. You're much more likely to develop cancer and other conditions than when you're young.

What part of this is surprising to you?

I've just literally said "all life dies" and yet you're saying I'm the one who's surprised?

Kids can get cancer and MANY other diseases. What part of this is surprising to you? A small child has the same "chances" of dying as any living thing on the planet.

The second it is born I know it IS GOING TO DIE. I'm absolutely sure of it. You're the one who's coming across as surprised.

 

[dowie]

You cant be serious?

Everybody has the same "chance" of dying whether you've just been born or whether you're 80 on your death bed.

But yeah I'm not surprised with this lack of understanding of probability and statistics etc. OcUK posters are incapable of understanding basic concepts.

I think it is more you missing the context of the post, the other poster was implicitly referring to dying at a particular time (the subject of the thread), you've then misinterpreted it as dying at all.

 

[asim18]

Don't be an idiot, asim. Yes, we all die. Even a kindergartener knows this.

I'm out. Go argue with a bus.

Yeah I thought you were a bus when you thought death actually had a "chance" of happening.

 

[dowie]

Yeah I thought you were a bus when you thought death actually had a "chance" of happening.

We're getting closer to the point where it might no longer happen with p = 1

Then people won't have the same chance of dying (in general) either, richer people might be able to live on in some form after their physical bodies fail. If we assume there is even a small chance of this happening within say the next 50 years then your probability of dying is now no longer 1.

 

[asim18]

I think it is more you missing the context of the post, the other poster was implicitly referring to dying at a particular time (the subject of the thread), you've then misinterpreted it as dying at all.

Nope. Sorry.

"the higher the number of birthdays you've had, the higher your chance of dying."


He explicitly says "chance of dying". Yes we have an average life expectancy, but that doesn't have an effect on the "chance" of dying, which is an inevitability of all life. You simply cannot say dying is a chance thing, because dying is a life thing.

Someone closer to the average life expectancy is closer to death but that doesn't mean he has suddenly acquired a chance of dying.

Death is confirmed the second you start living.

 

[FoxEye]

I'm not sure we are getting closer to immortality. Our recent (relatively) longevity has been centered around disease control, etc, rather than tackling the underlying causes of aging and death (which are still unknown).

@asim, everybody (bar you) is talking about the chance to die on any given day. You carry on arguing against something nobody has said, but understand you just look like an idiot to everyone else.

 

[asim18]

You carry on arguing against something nobody has said, but understand you just look like an idiot to everyone else.

Now you're denying that the following was said in post #60?

"the higher the number of birthdays you've had, the higher your chance of dying."

Are you seriously saying nobody said that and post 60 doesn't exist?

The fact is the more birthdays you've had the closer you are to death. Age has no effect on the fact that life will inevitably cease. All life has the same "chance" of dying which is an absolute inevitability. If you think these three basic sentences make me look like an idiot then that is great.


Also what's this about looking like an idiot? I'm seeing this a lot on OcUK people seem to be self-conscious about their idiocy? I couldn't care less if I personally come across an absolute blithering fool. I'm just here to discuss general things in a civil manner, If I come across as an idiot then that is absolutely fine. "look like an idiot to everyone else." haha what is this primary school? I know it's holidays, but wow.

 

[FoxEye]

A crucial skill in life is comprehending the meaning behind the words. Pedants are lacking this essential skill, seemingly.

Alternatively, find me someone who believes they won't die at some point. Good luck with that.

 

[dowie]

Nope. Sorry.

"the higher the number of birthdays you've had, the higher your chance of dying."


He explicitly says "chance of dying". Yes we have an average life expectancy, but that doesn't have an effect on the "chance" of dying, which is an inevitability of all life. You simply cannot say dying is a chance thing, because dying is a life thing.

Someone closer to the average life expectancy is closer to death but that doesn't mean he has suddenly acquired a chance of dying.

I was referring to what his post implicitly meant not what he explicitly said that you then read ignoring the context and ranted against something he wasn't implying. Chance of dying at a particular time is what he was talking about as was quite obvious from the context as I've already explained to you.

Also you were talking about understanding probability and statistics earlier but seem to have glossed over what has already been posted about chance of death - see the previous posters alluding to infant mortality rates - getting closer to average life expectancy doesn't necessarily mean closer to death, in some cases getting past infancy means a higher chance of living.*

Death is confirmed the second you start living.

As per the previous post that might not be the case in future.


*I'm referring to chance of living/dying at a particular moment in time here as were the other posters.

 

[asim18]

I was referring to what his post implicitly meant not what he explicitly said that you then read ignoring the context and ranted against something he wasn't implying. Chance of dying at a particular time is what he was talking about as was quite obvious from the context as I've already explained to you.

Also you were talking about understanding probability and statistics earlier but seem to have glossed over what has already been posted about chance of death - see the previous posters alluding to infant mortality rates - getting closer to average life expectancy doesn't necessarily mean closer to death, in some cases getting past infancy means a higher chance of living.*



As per the previous post that might not be the case in future.


*I'm referring to chance of living/dying at a particular moment in time here as were the other posters.

I'm not going to go around trying to figure out what is "implied" when something is explicitly stated. If you want to assume something was implied which increases the validity of the explicit sentence then go right ahead.

The fact remains all life has the same chance of death. I also made a simple and explicit statement and yet I love how people jump on this and the other guy even brought religion into it too like WTF? GD never fails to provide comedy gold.

 

[Akagi]

WTF is going on in here, are you really all arguing about the semantics of a sentence when the meaning behind it was obvious? Don't you have something better to do? I know its late but jesus! Go to bed!

 

[asim18]

A crucial skill in life is comprehending the meaning behind the words. Pedants are lacking this essential skill, seemingly.

Don't be a hypocrite now.

Remember when you thought my very low level post that death is an inevitability of life was some sort of "pseudo religious nonsense". It was only about 30 mins ago.

 

[asim18]

WTF is going on in here, are you really all arguing about the semantics of a sentence when the meaning behind it was obvious? Don't you have something better to do? I know its late but jesus! Go to bed!

Haha tell me about it. I make a small and basic statement reminding people that death is inevitable from the second you are conceived as opposed to an increasing chance over time. And then we get people accusing me of looking like an idiot and some sort of religious nutjob.

I think I'm going to die from laughter.

 

[dowie]

No you just completely missed the context of a post that is seemingly obvious to most other people. What do you think that increasing chance that someone claimed was increasing with respect to.... oh that would be time. The very thing being discussed in this thread.

 

[asim18]

No you just completely missed the context of a post that is seemingly obvious to most other people. What do you think that increasing chance that someone claimed was increasing with respect to.... oh that would be time. The very thing being discussed in this thread.

But the thing is the "chance" doesn't and cannot increase. There is no chance of dying. Not with time, not with disease, not with cancer, not with anything.

Death is absolute to life, it is not relative to time. If you stop using words like "chance" then I'd assume you've understood what I'm saying.

The amount of time an organism has been alive for has no relevance to its chance of dying. If it's been alive for 1 second or 20,000 days the chances of them dying are the same. 1.

 

[Akagi]

I think we understand what you are getting at, but I'm not sure why you felt the need to start this semantics based argument in the first place?

We all know that everyone will die...

Substitute "chance of death" to "chance of death occurring within X amount of time" and we're there...

Can we stop now?