I don't understand racism or homophobia

There will always be intolerance.

There's nothing we can do about it.

The only thing that we have managed to change in the last 50 years is that there are now more liars.
 
There will always be intolerance.

There's nothing we can do about it.

The only thing that we have managed to change in the last 50 years is that there are now more liars.

There's not as much discrimination today as there was 50 years ago, precisely because we've been doing something about it. You might not have noticed the difference if you were never in a group that would have been discriminated against.
 
There's not as much discrimination today as there was 50 years ago, precisely because we've been doing something about it. You might not have noticed the difference if you were never in a group that would have been discriminated against.

Yes, but behind everyone's lies...whether the consequences of said intolerance have been suppressed or not...the intolerance is still there.
 
The very definition of the word means that the prejudice is NOT BORNE FROM ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

Ergo my statement actually undersold the fact. :p

From your post.

The majority of prejudice comes from indirect experience, stories, media, etc.
Being apprehensive of black people due to a number of bad run-ins with them is understandable, being apprehensive of black people because of rap music is silly.

Citation needed. You really didn't think you was going to be let off that easy :)
 
Yes, but behind everyone's lies...whether the consequences of said intolerance have been suppressed or not...the intolerance is still there.

No, the problem with intolerance is that it manifests itself in discrimination. If you don't like something but don't do anything about it, then it's just tolerance.
 
There's not as much discrimination today as there was 50 years ago, precisely because we've been doing something about it. You might not have noticed the difference if you were never in a group that would have been discriminated against.

What are you talking about lol. Discrimination is all around us. It's a part of life.

Two people apply for a job. Applicant 'A' has all the experience and is extremely intelligent. Applicant 'B' just dumb.....

The employee opts to go with applicant 'A' because he/she is intelligent. Applicant 'B' has just experienced discrimination....
 
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I know for a fact that if 4 white people had tortured a black person and streamed it that UK Car Sales being high wouldn't be the main story on the BBC front page.

Even the headline isn't what it first appears. It looks like fleet buyers have pushed sales to record levels but consumer purchases are down again and predicted to drop even further in 2017 :eek:
 
No, the problem with intolerance is that it manifests itself in discrimination. If you don't like something but don't do anything about it, then it's just tolerance.

Artificial tolerance...until the day when the subject finds a situation where they can express said intolerance as discrimination without punishment.
 
What are you talking about lol. Discrimination is all around us. It's a part of life.

Two people apply for a job. Applicant 'A' has all the experience and is extremely intelligent. Applicant 'B' just dumb.....

The employee opts to go with applicant 'A' because he/she is intelligent. Applicant 'B' has just experienced am discrimination....

I'll show you am discrimination...
 
Oh im sorry i thought you wanted the scoring category, you can choose anything you like for that.

For the races, how about the standard ones from the uk census that are used for all national statistics?

So to the issue that scientific orthodoxy is that sub species taxonomy in humans has no value other than telling us what seemingly irrelevant external features some people have culturally used to define sub groups.

And the fact that in larger populations the genetic distance between populations is less than that within populations.

And the fact that the 2 populations with the greatest genetic distance between them (aboriginals and africans) would simply be classed as "black" by most measures.

Even with all that in mind, your answer is, some forms/laws in the UK cite race so it must be defined/valuable?

I suspect you'll "crack on" with your top 10 races idea, regardless of how clearly un evidenced/illogical/irrational anyone shows it to be then...
 
On the whole skin pigmentation category of humans.
Arguably you couldn't pick a less useful way of categorising for human similarity.

Africa is the most genetically diverse continental population (which supports the out of Africa premise for human kind)

There are a number isolated geographic areas where populations (due to environment probably) have retained similar skin pigmentation/features, yet now have the greatest distance (genetically) from the African population.

Skin pigmentation is likely one of the most quickly adaptive phenotypes that we know of.

Researchers suggest that human populations over the past 50,000 years have changed from dark-skinned to light-skinned and vice versa as they migrated to different UV zones,[5] and that such major changes in pigmentation may have happened in as little as 100 generations (≈2,500 years) through selective sweeps.[5][6][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color

Obviously some of the factual points about skin colour are as controversial to dark skinned people as lighter skinned people.

My big take away from reading about our understanding of genetic distance is simply similar appearances do not really imply genetic closeness.

As for the idea that racism is somehow natural.

1. Show some evidence beyond, "I think like this, so I believe everybody does".
2. Natural to what/who:
Some big cats males eat/kill the young of competitive males.
Sterile Ants work to protect and serve the colony.

Making points about distant "cousins" or unrelated organism seem to entirely ignore the obvious differences human evolution appears to display. Humans pass generational information on, in ways that none of those organisms appear to. I'm unaware of ant/chimp/tiger production of memes.
 
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Some would say that there actually are.

(Humans are a member of the Chimpanzee family)

No, they're not. Humans and Chimpanzees are generally classified as being in the hominidae family, although as far as I know there isn't a standard universally agreed taxonomy.
 
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