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But won't touch a decent spec pc and many xbone games won't look that great compared to playing on normal xbone. Pointless just like the pro
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But won't touch a decent spec pc and many xbone games won't look that great compared to playing on normal xbone. Pointless just like the pro
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Isn't zen a cpu and polaris a gpu though? Maybe it was a typo and you meant vega. Anyway, I thought even if your comparing apples to oranges 6TF is 6TF.
Correct me if I'm wrong though. I know what you mean, Vega being a slightly better arch with newer features and more efficient/power per watt but if its 6TF then no matter what it's compared to it's still 6TF isn't it?
Hope it does use Zen and Vega, can't wait to grab one.
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Actually 6TF on a new architecture with a very decent quad core CPU put it absolutely firmly into pretty decent PC range. 6TF on Vega will be RX480/1060 beating performance except without the Windows overhead and significantly more optimised.
3 years ago 1.2TF was tame as hell on the XO, like embarrasing, both in increase and compared to midrange PCs at the time it was weak. But 6TF is 5x more power at a time that desktop hasn't increased it's power by 5x, and due to architecture it will be more than 5 times faster.
Another way to look at it is this, in late 2013 when the XO came out, The 780ti launched with 5TF of performance a 780 had 4TF, a 760ti had 2.5TF performance and a 750ti had 1.3TF though out in Feb 2014.
Today 3 years later you have a Titan X with 10TF, a 1080 with 8TF (both doubled) and a 1060 with 3.9TF while the 1050ti has 2TF(neither came close to doubling performance).
So three years ago the XO was slower than the 4th slowest Nvidia core and really the lowest high volume gaming card, considered low end though. This year when Scorpio launches it will be closer to the 1080 in TF than the 1060 and 3 times faster than the same tier card as 3 years ago. To say it won't touch a decent spec PC is honestly nonsense.
I'm not a big console fan in the slightest, I got bought a PS4 and barely used it, wouldn't touch a XO with a bargepole due to well, exactly how under powered it was. The Scorpio is still a console, still won't have a keyboard and mouse, still have a lot of games I have no interest in, but it's a dramatically better console, way more competitive with real PC gaming in performance and shouldn't be dismissed so easily just because it's a console.
Who cares if normal Xbox games won't look great compared to playing on a normal XO? Would you not buy a new GPU for your PC because old games won't make use of it?
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Yup, said Zen where I meant Vega, though it's also using Zen.
6TF is a rating, it's pretty much a baseline clocks x shader count x ops per second. IE Fury is 2 clocks per op, 4096 shaders and 1050Mhz clock speeds, or 2x4096x1050 = 8.6TF which is basically it's official rating.
How efficiently you can utilise it changes vastly. 6TF never changes, the theoretical maximum won't change. But think of it maybe this way, if Polaris is only managing to get 70% utilisation and Vega gets 89% utilisation then 6TF becomes a 'real' 4.2TF for Polaris and 5.34TF for Vega. Whichever way it's measured, if Vega is more efficient than Polaris(and it certainly looks like it might be way more efficient) then 6TF Vega will be significantly faster than 6TF Polaris.
AT CES they've got a sign up saying Scorpio and all the Zen lines around it like New Horizons. So without confirming it's Zen, they have basically included Scorpio stuff with all the Zen branding and everyone thought it would be Vega already. But if it's a Zen based APU it would be absolutely nuts to make it not Vega as the point of semi custom is to take something that already basically exists and make relatively small changes. So taking a Zen APU with Vega and putting in loads more work to get an old GCN gpu added is basically never going to happen.
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Thanks for explaining, I get what you mean. I didn't know that's how they calculated the TF.
Vega should have a few extra features up it's sleeves too to utilise the extra power/efficiency over polaris. PS4 pro is using some of the newer features to get more out of it's 4.2 TF but Vega should improve on those.
Zen should be great for it as it will give Vega something meaty to pull from.
AMD CEO said no custom ZEN products till 2018-19, the screens that mention Scorpio and Ryzen seem to come from an AMD presentation which also shows the PS4, Pro and PSVR and is talking about new and upcoming projects. I wouldn't say it wont/cant be zen but I think its a very very small chance it will. As for it trashing the PS4(pro) maybe so but who cares when i can play all those games on my far more powerful gaming PC.
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What would be the point of the Scorpio having Zen and being uber powerful. It's not allowed exclusive games.
I think the PS4 and Xbox One when they came out to be lacklustre, but because they're consoles, and we're only early in the generation, they've got to be catered for, and the PS4 Pro and Scorpio aren't going to have exclusive games.
I think the PS4 and Xbox One when they came out to be lacklustre, but because they're consoles, and we're only early in the generation, they've got to be catered for, and the PS4 Pro and Scorpio aren't going to have exclusive games.
From reading around seems games developed from ground up for Scorpio isn't being ruled out,more from my understanding down to developers to decide if they want to do so,think Phil spencer said something like that anyway.
At the moment PS4 pro without exclusives to make proper use of its hardware is ridiculous to me,if Scorpio being from all accounts much more powerful is used in the same way I think it's a sad state of affairs for console gaming.
Still maybe a few rabbits will be pulled from hats later in the year to prove me wrong,hope so.
At the moment PS4 pro without exclusives to make proper use of its hardware is ridiculous to me,if Scorpio being from all accounts much more powerful is used in the same way I think it's a sad state of affairs for console gaming.
Still maybe a few rabbits will be pulled from hats later in the year to prove me wrong,hope so.
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Well isn't that like saying there's no point upgrading a PC for better visuals if it can already play games at 1080p 30fps?
As a ps4 pro owner (and soon to be scorpio) I do hope they get their own exclusives but its n big deal if they don't. More than happy with the 4k/higher frames/better visuals and no OTT fan noise on normal games.
I think they'll come into their own when Scorpio arrives and Sony/Microsoft start the oneupmanship games again.
As a ps4 pro owner (and soon to be scorpio) I do hope they get their own exclusives but its n big deal if they don't. More than happy with the 4k/higher frames/better visuals and no OTT fan noise on normal games.
I think they'll come into their own when Scorpio arrives and Sony/Microsoft start the oneupmanship games again.
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If they get exclusives it's the death of the console.
The point of them is you buy it and you're set.
The point of them is you buy it and you're set.
Millions of people care
If the millions cared that much they'd buy a PC.
There is literally no reason to own Xbox branded hardware now. PC gets all their exclusives, will last longer than a console gen and can be customised to be so much more.
I regret spending £200 on an Xbox because I have a PC built in 2011 that smashes it all over.
I have a fairly powerful PC and still got the Xbox. Also looking forward to upgrading that to a more powerful version (Scorpio) for the living room experience.
Just nonsense. You can buy an Xbox 1S for little over £200. It plays games,blu rays, 4K blu rays etc etc. It requires no effort or technical knowledge to setup and has a huge back catalogue. It might be pointless for you not to own an Xbox but there are millions of people that don't want a PC. And you can't build a PC for £200 that does what the 1S does.
That old chestnut. PC has cost me 1k including upgrades since purchase in 2011.
How much will you have spent on an Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox One S and a Scorpio in that time frame?
What technical knowledge is required to operate a PC, it isn't 1998 you know?
Xbox fans triggered but here I am playing all your exclusives on my PC at a desk, or with the 'living room' experience, at a resolution and framerate you can only dream of.
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Tbh the Xbox exclusives I've played have been weak this gen.
Halo 5 was the worst in the series and Gears 4 is just about better than Judgement.. sure looked pretty on PC though. I won't continue further, I've had my fun.
I can see why the Scorpio will appeal to a certain demographic who don't have space for a PC or are intimidated by them.
I'm actually fairly hyped by the switch personally, far more than what I am by the prospect of the Scorpio or whatever Sony have in the pipeline.
Halo 5 was the worst in the series and Gears 4 is just about better than Judgement.. sure looked pretty on PC though. I won't continue further, I've had my fun.
I can see why the Scorpio will appeal to a certain demographic who don't have space for a PC or are intimidated by them.
I'm actually fairly hyped by the switch personally, far more than what I am by the prospect of the Scorpio or whatever Sony have in the pipeline.
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I'd say PC gaming overall is cheaper, but it's no where near as simple as Console gaming.
Recent example is Watchdogs one, it wouldn't launch unless I disabled Uplays overlay. That's not as simple as operating a console.
Let alone getting it to run with a proper FOV at 21:9 requires another piece of software.
Recent example is Watchdogs one, it wouldn't launch unless I disabled Uplays overlay. That's not as simple as operating a console.
Let alone getting it to run with a proper FOV at 21:9 requires another piece of software.
Just like you haven't upgraded your PC since 2011, gamers can choose to keep their OG Xbox one. I'll be getting Scorpio to replace my Xbox just like I spent £800 upgrading my PC recently (with a fair few second hand parts as well).
I have had consoles but never agreed with the generational and walled garden approach to games.
I hate rebuying media I have previously owned and think it disrespectful to the medium not to at least attempt to support existing and new products on the same system.
people generally dont put up with this rubbish in films and music to the same level, perhaps one day a stable evolving format will emerge, in recent years PC has been as close to that as possible.
I hate rebuying media I have previously owned and think it disrespectful to the medium not to at least attempt to support existing and new products on the same system.
people generally dont put up with this rubbish in films and music to the same level, perhaps one day a stable evolving format will emerge, in recent years PC has been as close to that as possible.