*** Nintendo Switch ***

I have owned every single Nintendo console since the NES. I still remember completing Mario when I was about 5 years old. Love Nintendo games. What I find annoying is they have so many great IPs they just sit on and they then take ages to develop or don't at all. Why not hire more developers and get those games out?

I really do think the Switch would have been better and a bigger hit even at this price point had the machine been a tegra P1 together with the Mario game coming out near the launch rather than the end of the near. But as it is it feels like they went with the older cheaper tech and we are over paying for it and we only have Zelda as a big game at launch. The game and accessories price just makes things worse IMO.

I am still hoping amazon reduce the pre-order price of Zelda. One other place already has it up for preorder for £50. Still too much, but better. The games need to be £40, max £50 due to the weak pound.

I still think even as it is now, unless the 2018 game line up is bad, this will sell a lot more than the Wii U did. This will definitely not be the last Nintendo console we see IMO.
 
It's £280 console that comes with a screen, with design and R&D to make that work, comes with on board battery, 2* controllers.

If you want to talk value. The competition has no screen, 1 controller and pretty much a mini pc in a box. There isn't much thinking besides providing home entertainment.

(wait for ghz argument)

Sure the Wii was £180 but the Wii is also 10 years old, a lot of things were cheaper 10 years ago. For me anyway, £400 is the ceiling for a launch console these days, I was expecting it between £250 to £300. I never thought it would be £180.

I think some perspective needs to be taken into account here with regards to pricing.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I have not seen one marketing or comment that it is a tablet, apart from having a large screen touch screen. Which is designed as a console not doing your emails on.

Again with the expectation. Where do people pull theses expectations from when it was not mentioned anywhere?
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Again with the expectation?
On a tablet sized, computing device, with a touchscreen are you taking the ****?
 
stewski said:
Again with the expectation?
On a tablet sized, computing device, with a touchscreen are you taking the ****?
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Steedie said:
Raymond, do you have a lot of shares in Nintendo? You're awfully touchy about this whole thing
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No, I feel like i am being realistic. I feel some of these expectation of a £280 device to do more than a £400 iPad is unrealistic. Never mind the point of not being its goal.

Look how the XB1 now dropped the whole home integration side of the box now in its marketing. Expectations. They are talking about games now like Sony does. Nintendo is talking about games, at home and on the move. They are clearly setting your expectation that this is a gaming console, not a tablet. So to move your thinking towards the tablet aspect is nothing but people's own imagination because they see a screen and they think tablet, just because what they are used to so they will be disappointed when it isn't.

Are they not? Which bit am I wrong?
 
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Raymond Lin said:
No, I feel like i am being realistic. I feel some of these expectation of a £280 device to do more than a £400 iPad is unrealistic. Never mind the point of not being its goal.

Look how the XB1 now dropped the whole home integration side of the box now in its marketing. Expectations. They are talking about games now like Sony does. Nintendo is talking about games, at home and on the move. They are clearly setting your expectation that this is a gaming console, not a tablet. So to move your thinking towards the tablet aspect is nothing but people's own imagination because they see a screen and they think tablet, just because what they are used to so they will be disappointed when it isn't.

Are they not? Which bit am I wrong?
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Who mentioned a £400 iPad.
That said I do have a £100 Barnes and Noble Nook HD that has a higher resolution screen.

I just think if you make a "gaming" tablet and promote taking it with you, regardless of a lack marketing, natural expectations will include some general purpose computing.

If it had 4 wheels and you could sit in it, would you deny people the expectation it would move them from a to b?
 
To expand, my expectations of a tablet would means something I can hold on one hand and use with the other which means.

1 - I can use it in portrait mode. There has been no demo of that.
2 - I can use it anywhere, with 4G connection. There is no mention of any sim card slots.

Then throw in all the R&D and cost that needs to build an infrastructure to handle all the tablet, I think that would just drive up costs to what some people here clearly think is already expensive.

So yes, expectations. I can totally understand why they have not promoted that aspect or even talked about that aspect because clearly is not a strong point and if it does, it would be done badly because if they had spent significant R&D into it, like the XB1 did with the home integration with your home entertainment, they would have done a big promo on it.

They have not, so I am not expecting anything on that side. It is very logical.

p.s. Who mentioned a £400 iPad? I mention the £400 iPad. Why? because an iPad mini 4 cos £379. wWhy the iPad mini 4? its about the same size and it is the latest version, why the latest version? because if its not, we might as well talk about how much they go secondhand. It starts at £379. And it comes with no controllers.

Does your £100 Barnes and Noble Nook HD come with 2 controllers, play games with your friends? Why not? The Switch does !!! I had expected it to.

Get my point?
 
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Raymond Lin said:
To expand, my expectations of a tablet would means something I can hold on one hand and use with the other which means.

1 - I can use it in portrait mode. There has been no demo of that.
2 - I can use it anywhere, with 4G connection. There is no mention of any sim card slots.

Then throw in all the R&D and cost that needs to build an infrastructure to handle all the tablet, I think that would just drive up costs to what some people here clearly think is already expensive.

So yes, expectations. I can totally understand why they have not promoted that aspect or even talked about that aspect because clearly is not a strong point and if it does, it would be done badly because if they had spent significant R&D into it, like the XB1 did with the home integration with your home entertainment, they would have done a big promo on it.

They have not, so I am not expecting anything on that side. It is very logical.
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I have zero expectation of 4G in a tablet.

I agree it is unlikely to perform well as a tablet based on previous experience with nintendo systems.

I don't think even the most rabid fanboy can wish away public expectations by saying, nintendo don't want you to think this.

I think the wii is possibly the greatest console of all time, I wish nintendo every success, however to achieve it they will need to meet peoples "expectations" of what a gaming tablet can do.
 
Raymond said:
p.s. Who mentioned a £400 iPad? I mention the £400 iPad. Why? because an iPad mini 4 cos £379. wWhy the iPad mini 4? its about the same size and it is the latest version, why the latest version? because if its not, we might as well talk about how much they go secondhand. It starts at £379. And it comes with no controllers.

Does your £100 Barnes and Noble Nook HD come with 2 controllers, play games with your friends? Why not? The Switch does !!! I had expected it to.

Get my point?
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Is there a reason you are not comparing it to the Nvidia shield (you know by the company who actually make the switch)?

I think your fanboyism is showing a bit too much.
 
stewski said:
I have zero expectation of 4G in a tablet.

I agree it is unlikely to perform well as a tablet based on previous experience with nintendo systems.

I don't think even the most rabid fanboy can wish away public expectations by saying, nintendo don't want you to think this.

I think the wii is possibly the greatest console of all time, I wish nintendo every success, however to achieve it they will need to meet peoples "expectations" of what a gaming tablet can do.
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I don't see it as a gaming tablet. None of the literature has said that.

It is clearly marketed as a gaming console you can take with you. It's just so to do that you need a screen. Tablet would suggest there are functions you can use like a tablet. Apps you can install and run.

To take the console and play on the go you clearly need a screen, there is no getting away from that. would it be better if it was thicker and look less like a "tablet" so that people don't associate it with a tablet? or would it be better if it loses the screen entirely and did some wifi connection to your phone so you can play it off that?

Seeing something with a screen and automatically thinking it can do what a tablet can do is just what people are used to.

I feel like they can't win because if they had done that, gamers will go and moan they should have spent more time on games rather than doing the tablet side badly. Whereas now they had not mentioned it at all and actually just talking about the games.
 
stewski said:
Is there a reason you are not comparing it to the Nvidia shield (you know by the company who actually make the switch)?

I think your fanboyism is showing a bit too much.
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The nvidia shield are not a big player in the home console market.

But okay, lets play...

How much is it and does it come with a screen?

/point made.
 
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I respectfully disagree with Raymond. The only thing that had some r&d is what, the joy cons? The rest is done by nvidia as far as I can see. The screen, how much do you think that costs? They are not expensive when we are seeing cheap tablets everywhere with them. Why are you comparing with apple who use latest tech and have HUGE markups on their devices?
 
TNA said:
I respectfully disagree with Raymond. The only thing that had some r&d is what, the joy cons? The rest is done by nvidia as far as I can see. The screen, how much do you think that costs? They are not expensive when we are seeing cheap tablets everywhere with them. Why are you comparing with apple who use latest tech and have HUGE markups on their devices?
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How much is the nvidia shield?

I only searched on amazon, its £270 for 16G.

I don't know about you, £10 more for a switch with the "free" screen is pretty good?
 
I think the price is ok for the Switch as well, considering it comes with the controller pad, the dock, straps for the joycons as well as the actual console itself. Don't forget it also has an Nvidia Tegra X1(?) inside which is one of the best performing ARM chips on the market. The Wii and Wii U was using weak stuff.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Because people think the Switch is a tablet, just because it has a screen.

Expectations.
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Denying reasonable expectations of customers isn't exactly smart marketing.

Im simply suggesting a browser and some common tablet type apps will give the switch a better shot of not doing that.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
It's £280 console that comes with a screen, with design and R&D to make that work, comes with on board battery, 2* controllers.

If you want to talk value. The competition has no screen, 1 controller and pretty much a mini pc in a box. There isn't much thinking besides providing home entertainment.

(wait for ghz argument)

Sure the Wii was £180 but the Wii is also 10 years old, a lot of things were cheaper 10 years ago. For me anyway, £400 is the ceiling for a launch console these days, I was expecting it between £250 to £300. I never thought it would be £180.

I think some perspective needs to be taken into account here with regards to pricing.
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I agree entirely and I set myself £350 for launch + a game and it's wel within that

You do get a lot for the money (hopefully doesn't detract from build quality)
 
stewski said:
Denying reasonable expectations of customers isn't exactly smart marketing.

Im simply suggesting a browser and some common tablet tupe apps will give tje switch a better sjot of not doing that.
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See, this is where i think they are smart in their marketing. Purely by NOT talking about what you want at all by setting ZERO expectations.

There may be a browser and YouTube app but clearly it is an afterthought rather than the purpose of the console so to spend the launch event talking on something that is rather minuscule in the functionality seems to be counterintuitive.
 
Raymond Lin said:
See, this is where i think they are smart in their marketing. Purely by NOT talking about what you want at all by setting ZERO expectations.

There may be a browser and YouTube app but clearly it is an afterthought rather than the purpose of the console so to spend the launch event talking on something that is rather minuscule in the functionality seems to be counterintuitive.
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It could prove a smart move, but denying the previous couple of decades of general purpose mobile computing tech wont help either.

As I said originally, how the switch performs at those could make or break the concept imho.

one word answers like expectations are unlikely to change that.
 
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