Alternative medicine strikes again

Tefal · 24 Jan 2017 at 17:10

Evangelion said:
Meanwhile, so-called 'alternative medicine' has killed yet another child:

'Seven-year-old Alberta boy died of ‘overwhelming sepsis’ curable with simple antibiotics, trial hears.'

He lost 10 pounds in two weeks and cells in all his major organs were literally decomposing. His mother gave him dandelion tea and oil of oregano. When a friend begged her to take the boy to a hospital or a doctor, she refused.

in this situation if the friend had just taken the child without the parents consent to a hospital would they have been charged with kidnapping?

dowie · 24 Jan 2017 at 17:15

Raoh said:
Pot meet kettle.

I have done plenty of research, but thanks for the recommendation.

pot meet kettle??? - you're the one not willing to keep an open mind...

instead you promote discredited opinion and conspiracy

dowie · 24 Jan 2017 at 17:17

Tefal said:
in this situation if the friend had just taken the child without the parents consent to a hospital would they have been charged with kidnapping?

friend could have called the emergency services/social services etc..

Tefal · 24 Jan 2017 at 17:20

dowie said:
friend could have called the emergency services/social services etc..

true, but we know that doesnt always work out well does it.

baby P etc.

dowie · 24 Jan 2017 at 17:21

Raoh said:
I practice Reiki / energy healing myself, which is classified as an alternative therapy; it's both ahead of its time and yet has been used in many forms for thousands of years. I can see and feel the benefits of it and it is used in some Hospitals with patient / Dr praise to back it up - is that all nonsense too then or not mainstream enough?

This explains your earlier post!

but seriously, this stuff is dangerous if used in place of actual medicine, your clams on this thread are dangerous... you're being incredibly naive and really ought to take your own advice re: doing more research

I'd throughly recommend reading the bad science book mentioned earlier for a start

Tefal · 24 Jan 2017 at 17:23

dowie said:
This explains some of the utter drivel you've been posting

but seriously, this stuff is dangerous if used in place of actual medicine, your clams on this thread are dangerous... you're being incredibly naive and really ought to take your own advice re: doing more research

oh i don't think he's being naive. He's promoting his business.

I always put cold hard self serving before nativity in these situations

Sankari · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:02

gandhi said:
P.s. I was drunk when I watched it, so hotness may be proportional to amount of alcohol consumed. YMMV

Put those beer goggles down before you hurt somebody!

Tefal said:
in this situation if the friend had just taken the child without the parents consent to a hospital would they have been charged with kidnapping?

It's an interesting question. I have no idea, but I suspect saving his life would be one hell of a mitigating factor.

Sankari · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:05

Raoh said:
I practice Reiki / energy healing myself, which is classified as an alternative therapy; it's both ahead of its time and yet has been used in many forms for thousands of years.

No it hasn't. Reiki was invented in 1922 by a Japanese Buddhist monk called Mikao Usui.

I can see and feel the benefits of it and it is used in some Hospitals with patient / Dr praise to back it up - is that all nonsense too then or not mainstream enough?

Reiki is backed up by nothing more substantial than testimonials. It has never been validated by any kind of scientific test.

Avenged7Fold · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:08

As said earlier, alternative medicine is practice due to requests from patients and show no benefit beyond a placebo affect. A doctor is hardly going to say its rubbish if their fatigued, depressed patient suddenly felt more energised and positive if the patient found a placebo that is as real and dangerous as pixie dust

Glaucus · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:08

and this is why NHS needs to stop offering in effective choices, it legitimises it in peoples minds who are well vulnerable to such nonsense.
Homeopathy is also available through NHS in some parts of the country, despite all evidence that it doesn't work, NHS themself even state.

A 2010 House of Commons Science and Technology Committee report on homeopathy said that homeopathic remedies perform no better than placebos, and that the principles on which homeopathy is based are "scientifically implausible". This is also the view of the Chief Medical Officer, Professor Dame Sally Davies.

not to mention both the waste of money on it in the first place, and the increase spending as people fail to get better on such rubbish.

RetiredGreyFox · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:13

Evangelion said:
No it hasn't. Reiki was invented in 1922 by a Japanese Buddhist monk called Mikao Usui.

Reiki is backed up by nothing more substantial than testimonials. It has never been validated by any kind of scientific test.

He did his research though.

Tefal · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:13

nhs is quiewtly getting rid of homeopathy it seems.

less and elss funding each year,.

Minstadave · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:14

Homeopathy is utter guff but the placebo effect is real. So if giving people "special" water makes them feel better whilst being cheap and safe it's not the end of the world.

I agree with sentiment that it legitimises charlatans however.

Minstadave · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:14

Tefal said:
nhs is quiewtly getting rid of homeopathy it seems.

less and elss funding each year,.

Yeah it's quietly being cut along with a lot of other services.

Tefal · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:16

Minstadave said:
Homeopathy is utter guff but the placebo effect is real. So if giving people "special" water makes them feel better whilst being cheap and safe it's not the end of the world.

I agree with sentiment that it legitimises charlatans however.

why use the ludicrisly expensive homoeopathy water and not just a "fake" alterative?

homeopathy crap crosts a fortuine

Sankari · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:17

Glaucus · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:29

Tefal said:
nhs is quiewtly getting rid of homeopathy it seems.

less and elss funding each year,.

not so quietly after court cases that they've lost. Then even after that reintroducing it in a different way.

Liverpool CCG has been in touch to ask us to make clear that homeopathy services are not being immediately withdrawn. Rather, they intent to return the decision to continue funding homeopathy to the consultation stage. Homeopathy will still be available during the consultation

its absolutely gob smacking that despite everything, it is still available in the uk.

Glaucus · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:31

Minstadave said:
Homeopathy is utter guff but the placebo effect is real. So if giving people "special" water makes them feel better whilst being cheap and safe it's not the end of the world.

I agree with sentiment that it legitimises charlatans however.

what utter nonsense, it is far from safe. it encourages idiots to believe in it, as seen in this very thread. it also costs far more than a sugar pill. Let alone the ethics of placebos, and this isn't even considered a placebo by many.

it is extremely dangerous and causes many deaths. The same can not be said for true placebos.

Minstadave · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:37

Glaucus said:
what utter nonsense, it is far from safe. it encourages idiots to believe in it, as seen in this very thread. it also costs far more than a sugar pill. Let alone the ethics of placebos, and this isn't even considered a placebo by many.

it is extremely dangerous and causes many deaths. The same can not be said for true placebos.

I think you misunderstand how's it's used in the NHS. It's not used as an alternative for conventional medicine. It's used for the anxious old dears that need a bit of attention/relaxation.

As I said it doesn't have any effect other than placebo effect but the placebo effect is useful at times.

I used to be very anti homeopathy during my training but as I've got older I there's plenty of conventional medicine which is largely ineffective but people appreciate the time to talk about their problems and see someone try to help. I'm a lot more pragmatic now.

Minstadave · 24 Jan 2017 at 19:39

Tefal said:
why use the ludicrisly expensive homoeopathy water and not just a "fake" alterative?

homeopathy crap crosts a fortuine

Does it cost a fortune? I don't have any figures. A lot of these types of therapies are about human contact and relaxation, I haven't got a decent "fake alternative" I can think of.