Knife Crime on our streets

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So was just reading this..... These knife crimes, do we think they are just unprovoked attacks or these 'victims' are actually somehow involved in criminality themselves or inciting it in some way?

Doesn't make you feel safe at all!
 
Who knows without more evidence.

Honestly I feel no different safety wise.

Seems like a waste of life both the victims and whatever scum attacked them.
 
Most will be involved IMO.. not saying that there are unprovoked attacks but from what I've seen here in London it's all for similar reasons and all are targeted
 
People who do it know our laws are so soft and they'll either get away with it or get a couple of years locked up. There's no deterrents anymore.
 
The problem is a a lot of people ARE carrying knives again, not just criminals, but people who don't feel they have enough protection from criminals as well. E.g. I know a guy who keeps a big knife in the side of his car door just in case.

Criminals are stabbing people, but victims are also stabbing criminals and leaving them for dead. Because they don't believe in the police/law any more.
 
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DominicStar said:
There was never an effective deterrent or tougher time to look back on fondly.
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There was actually.

It wasn't that long ago when if you stuck a knife in somebody and they died, you had a good chance of having breakfast with Mr Pierpoint. (And none of this American nonsense about having "breakfast" 20 years or more after the event either, Typically it was before the end of the month)

There was plenty of thuggery in the 50's, but, for the most part, people were very careful to make sure they didn't actually kill anybody.
 
I tend to believe that, more often than not, the stabbers and the stabbees know each other or are at least affiliated in some way (through gangs and whatnot). Occasionally, the newsworthy aspect of a stabbing was that it was a case of mistaken identity - I can think of two in recent times near me where that was the case. In those instances, there was a definite target in mind, again usually the word "gang" is mentioned.
 
Where are we in the Stop'n'Search cycle? You know, where knife crime goes up, government implements stop'n'search, knife crime goes down, human rights lawyers get involved, government stops stop'n'search, knife crime goes up again.
 
scorza said:
Where are we in the Stop'n'Search cycle? You know, where knife crime goes up, government implements stop'n'search, knife crime goes down, human rights lawyers get involved, government stops stop'n'search, knife crime goes up again.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...file/508661/stop-search-operation-blunt-2.pdf

A difference-in-difference regression analysis, which controlled for other factors that might affect crime trends, found no statistically significant crime-reducing effect from the large increase in weapons searches during the course of Operation BLUNT 2. This suggests that the greater use of weapons searches was not effective at the borough level for reducing crime.
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Someone I knew when I was younger was stabbed to death in Hemel Hempstead last week. I'd not seen him for a long while, but it certainly drives it home when it's someone you know / knew.
 
Some of the Glasgow facebook groups are bad enough. I was on an air rifle group last year. Turned out it was a group for knives, swords, dusters, drugs and stolen bikes etc. I'll never forget the 2 guys that had an argument over 'blades', they arranged to meet at the four corners at 7pm that day. The next day it was local news, someone got stabbed at 7:15pm at the four corners.... I'm no longer on said group.
 
Orionaut said:
There was actually.

It wasn't that long ago when if you stuck a knife in somebody and they died, you had a good chance of having breakfast with Mr Pierpoint. (And none of this American nonsense about having "breakfast" 20 years or more after the event either, Typically it was before the end of the month)

There was plenty of thuggery in the 50's, but, for the most part, people were very careful to make sure they didn't actually kill anybody.
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The 1950s were an anomaly. WW2 is a more likely cause than execution, given that execution was a lot more likely earlier and crime was higher. At one point, for example, it was a legal requirement than anyone convicted of murder was executed within 2 days of the trial. Go back a bit further and execution was the punishment for crimes as low as the theft of cash or goods worth at least 12 pence, which was at most £200 in today's money. None of that did much to reduce crime. Mid 19th century had the worst crime rates, far worse than now, and that was a time of execution, deportation, punishment labour and prison conditions so bad that it wasn't all that unusual for prisoners to die of disease.
 
Angilion said:
The 1950s were an anomaly. WW2 is a more likely cause than execution, given that execution was a lot more likely earlier and crime was higher. At one point, for example, it was a legal requirement than anyone convicted of murder was executed within 2 days of the trial. Go back a bit further and execution was the punishment for crimes as low as the theft of cash or goods worth at least 12 pence, which was at most £200 in today's money. None of that did much to reduce crime. Mid 19th century had the worst crime rates, far worse than now, and that was a time of execution, deportation, punishment labour and prison conditions so bad that it wasn't all that unusual for prisoners to die of disease.
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actually murder rates have spiked dramatically since about the 70s
 
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