Bin lorry crashes into shoppers in Glasgow: 6 feared dead

dowie · 17 Feb 2017 at 19:53

If I was related to one of his victims and became aware he was still driving I think I'd probably feel like causing him some physical harm.

The justice system really is too soft on people who, through their own fault, take the lives of others on the road. I don't see how he can ever be considered safe to drive again and frankly he deserved to be locked up for a few years in the first place.

Rroff · 17 Feb 2017 at 20:05

Honestly begs questions to be asked, I guess circumstances allow too many uncertainties for a safe prosecution but still everyone can see he has complete disregard for the well-being of other people and should be locked up

asim18 · 18 Feb 2017 at 07:28

chaparral said:
I can never understand how people with these kind of medical conditions where allowed to drive cars & lorrys etc

I'm glad people are finally starting to realise the disastrous state of driving standards, I've been going on about it for years. I mean people are given shiny new licences when they can barely steer a car lmao! "Oh you managed to fluke a parallel parking in this humongous space without killing anyone, here's your licence." Accidents are pretty much mandated.

I've witnessed first hand how they've been modifying road layouts to make them more dangerous andincrease chances of accident. It's not surprising that dodgy drivers are encouraged to drive, and then encouraged to keep on driving even after killing people as in this particular case.

Maundie · 18 Feb 2017 at 13:20

asim18 said:
I'm glad people are finally starting to realise the disastrous state of driving standards, I've been going on about it for years. I mean people are given shiny new licences when they can barely steer a car lmao! "Oh you managed to fluke a parallel parking in this humongous space without killing anyone, here's your licence." Accidents are pretty much mandated.

I've witnessed first hand how they've been modifying road layouts to make them more dangerous andincrease chances of accident. It's not surprising that dodgy drivers are encouraged to drive, and then encouraged to keep on driving even after killing people as in this particular case.

Whilst I agree the driver should've been jailed and to be charged whilst driving banned shows he has no regard for the law this has to be one of the most stupidest comments I've ever read on this forum, to actually say the test is getting easier and they are modifying roads to make them more dangerous in some way to 'cull' people is for want of a better word : retarded.

asim18 · 18 Feb 2017 at 13:27

Maundie said:
Whilst I agree the driver should've been jailed and to be charged whilst driving banned shows he has no regard for the law this has to be one of the most stupidest comments I've ever read on this forum, to actually say the test is getting easier and they are modifying roads to make them more dangerous in some way to 'cull' people is for want of a better word : retarded.

I said nothing about culling people. I said accidents are mandated. That is more for inflating insurance by increasing the requirement for it.

Also roads are being redesigned to increase danger. There's a road round here which has been absolutely ruined I think they forgot that busses go down it lol. They have narrowed it by almost 10 feet and when a bus is going down the bend it has no choice but to encroach into the oncoming lane and everyone has to brake hard if they're unfamiliar with the road.

dowie · 18 Feb 2017 at 16:48

LOL another Asim conspiracy - roads are being made more dangerous to inflate insurance prices? WTF?

Rroff · 18 Feb 2017 at 16:54

dowie said:
LOL another Asim conspiracy - roads are being made more dangerous to inflate insurance prices? WTF?

If you saw the changes that have happened and are currently happening to the road layouts around my town you might almost believe him lol - one of several instances with changes: http://www.somersetlive.co.uk/yeovi...ety-measures/story-29342269-detail/story.html there are changes to a couple of other major junctions ongoing that people are just going W... T... F... at the plans as they are changing from safe to potentially incredibly dangerous

and another instance like the one linked on the other side of town.

asim18 · 18 Feb 2017 at 17:16

dowie said:
LOL another Asim conspiracy - roads are being made more dangerous to inflate insurance prices? WTF?

Another denial of reality by dowie. The conspiracy is only in your head. The fact that road design is not thoughtful enough is observable reality. The example i gave is ovservable reality. Just like Rroff has also observed as well as many other prople.

Now thats the first part. The second part is confirmed by thr fact that insurance companies always benefit from accidents. It allows them to increase your prices. Most people never get back what they put into insurance and the company is always up. The location gets saved as high risk and every other person's renewal pays for it.

Rroff · 18 Feb 2017 at 17:20

asim18 said:
Another denial of reality by dowie. The conspiracy is only in your head. The fact that road design is not thoughtful enough is observable reality. The example i gave is ovservable reality. Just like Rroff has also observed as well as many other prople.

Now thats the first part. The second part is confirmed by thr fact that insurance companies always benefit from accidents. It allows them to increase your prices. Most people never get back what they put into insurance and the company is always up. The location gets saved as high risk and every other person's renewal pays for it.

Don't mistake incompetence for conspiracy

most of these changes seem to have come about after the previous Lib Dem controlled council changed to Tories with the backlash against David Laws.

dowie · 18 Feb 2017 at 17:31

can a badly designed road layout occur? - sure

does the existence of a badly designed road layout imply that 'the insurance companies' are involved in some conspiracy to alter road layout design in order to increase premiums... LOL highly unlikely, that is a very dubious claim that requires actual evidence not simply an observation of some examples of bad road layouts in your local town then a massive leap from that observation to the conclusion that there is some grand conspiracy behind it

asim18 said:
The conspiracy is only in your head.

indeed it is - you have, as usual, no evidence for it other than your own rather warped view of the world

dowie · 18 Feb 2017 at 17:34

So the number of cars is on the increase yet road deaths have steadily decreased... pretty poor 'conspiracy'

Mynight · 18 Feb 2017 at 17:34

If anything the conspiracy is with the companies that are paid to do the road work and the local council.

One in my area spent 5 million rebuilding an A road and it's roundabout to reduce people driving off the road (3 a year if that). Balls it up and increased the amount of accidents. Another 2 million later were back at 3 a year and a newer roundabout

. I think the councillors got mates in the road works company

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Surfer · 18 Feb 2017 at 17:38

getting back to the thread.... it is utterly shameful that this man has never been prosecuted for killing those people. I think the main excuse used by the CPS is that they cannot prove that he knew/ or did not know he was going to blackout that day. Ergo if he didnt know then how can they charge him.

Thats true but holy **** he was aware that he had a medical condition where this is likely to happen AND indeed had happened previously when he was a driver of a bus.

Just to echo sentiments expressed earlier if i was a relative of someone who had been killed by this man and to see his continued criminal transgressions showing he really doesnt give a fig about the law and whose lives he wrecks...then to be quite honest i would do something about it...... /keyboard warrior.

The situation now is the families or the CPS cannot prosecute him but one or the other should be prosecuting the council in question (or the company that ran the refuse collection service).

Dis86 · 18 Feb 2017 at 17:39

Mynight said:
If anything the conspiracy is with the companies that are paid to do the road work and the local council.

One in my area spent 5 million rebuilding an A road and it's roundabout to reduce people driving off the road (3 a year if that). Balls it up and increased the amount of accidents. Another 2 million later were back at 3 a year and a newer roundabout . I think the councillors got mates in the road works company .

Sadly where I live that's actually true. The local MP is married to one of the senior county council members. His best friend owns a construction company. Guess which construction company gets every major job in the area...

Guess which company is routinely accused of either over-priced or shoddy work.

diamount · 18 Feb 2017 at 18:02

Dis86 said:
Sadly where I live that's actually true. The local MP is married to one of the senior county council members. His best friend owns a construction company. Guess which construction company gets every major job in the area...

Guess which company is routinely accused of either over-priced or shoddy work.

No, I think the likely reason is they offered the lowest price for the job.

TheVoice · 18 Feb 2017 at 18:20

Surfer said:
The situation now is the families or the CPS cannot prosecute him but one or the other should be prosecuting the council in question (or the company that ran the refuse collection service).

I doubt there's anything the COPFS could prosecute them for; they knew nothing of his medical history because it hadn't been declared.

Dis86 · 18 Feb 2017 at 18:36

diamount said:
No, I think the likely reason is they offered the lowest price for the job.

Nope. I know someone who bid less than the charged.

holymonk · 19 Feb 2017 at 09:15

Rroff said:
If you saw the changes that have happened and are currently happening to the road layouts around my town you might almost believe him lol - one of several instances with changes: http://www.somersetlive.co.uk/yeovi...ety-measures/story-29342269-detail/story.html there are changes to a couple of other major junctions ongoing that people are just going W... T... F... at the plans as they are changing from safe to potentially incredibly dangerous and another instance like the one linked on the other side of town.

You live in Yeovil... The road system has probably been deliberately done to cull the local population, worst town I've ever been to.

Tefal · 19 Feb 2017 at 19:41

asim18 said:
Another denial of reality by dowie. The conspiracy is only in your head. The fact that road design is not thoughtful enough is observable reality. The example i gave is ovservable reality. Just like Rroff has also observed as well as many other prople.

Now thats the first part. The second part is confirmed by thr fact that insurance companies always benefit from accidents. It allows them to increase your prices. Most people never get back what they put into insurance and the company is always up. The location gets saved as high risk and every other person's renewal pays for it.

No the second psrt for proof would require some form of paymebt or connection from insurnace companies to the people who deisign and build roads.

Tefal · 19 Feb 2017 at 19:44

dowie said:
can a badly designed road layout occur? - sure

does the existence of a badly designed road layout imply that 'the insurance companies' are involved in some conspiracy to alter road layout design in order to increase premiums... LOL highly unlikely, that is a very dubious claim that requires actual evidence not simply an observation of some examples of bad road layouts in your local town then a massive leap from that observation to the conclusion that there is some grand conspiracy behind it

indeed it is - you have, as usual, no evidence for it other than your own rather warped view of the world

Would isnurnace companies not profit more from reduced accidents as they have fewer payouts?

Increasing accidents will lose them money