Unless you mean Oklahoma specifically, you're wrong, and by a long way. According to this article just 36% of American homes own guns. Mind you, in searching for that, I did come across a headline saying that 3% of Americans own 50% of the guns, so there's the nutcase element right there.
AR15, for when the Shotty just doesnt quite cut it..
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Private for profit prisons, yo. Prison labour is the new slavery. It suits a lot of people for them to criminalise and imprison as many people as possible.That seems retarded to me, no wonder their prisons are overflowing. No doubt she should be punished, but charged with 3 murders when she was just the driver?
I susspect a bullet simply freefalling back to earth after being fired straight up would be like being hit by a small stone thrown at you.
Painful and maybe leave a cut on your head but unlikley to hurt much.
Im sure somone can work it out
Mythbusters did look into it back in 2006. If you could fire a bullet straight up (as in, dead-on vertical) then it would tumble and come back down at a lower speed than if you fired it at an upward angle - the absolutely vertical shot was deemed non-lethal, the angled one could be.
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And until the entire human race is psychic, that argument is bobbins. Without the assailants filling in a questionnaire at the door, how could anyone gauge that murder and mayhem wasn't their intention when entering the house armed?
If you offer lethal force, you don't get to complain when you are met with lethal force.
From a ballistics perspective, a shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot will have the desired terminal affect without endangering everyone within 300-400 metres as using an AR-15 will. Yank houses are usually drywall on a timber frame which doesn't do much to stop high velocity rifle bullets that don't hit their intended target.
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Watch the episode, terminal velocity will be less than lethal. But that's if they shot 100% vertical which is very unlikely.
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If the homeowner is telling the truth and was confronted in his house I can see why he did what he did. I don't agree with the homeowners who shoot robbers in the back when they are running away though, I think that should be treated as murder.
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the main issue is things like pistols for example have pretty good barrier penetration, heavy bullets that go slowly and stay mostly intact through a barrier. these are of course a popular choice for american self defence.
tbh the best thing for this sort of thing imo would be the 5-7, intentionally designed to have a low effective range/barrier penetration but can still knock down an armoured target. combine that with a p90 and you have 50 rounds of compact, easy aimed, low recoiling firepower.
it's a shame really, on the one hand if i lived in america i'd want to have something lying around the house, but of course from the european perspective it's obvious that our tighter firearms laws seem to be having a pretty good effect on this sort of gun crime.
Glad to see that at least some parts of the world have sensible self-defence laws, if this was the UK the homeowner would have been arrested, charged with murder and faced the lottery of a trial by jury. Home invasions are pretty scary, not just burglaries but gangs have in the past detained the entire family for a few days, driving one member at a time to a bank to withdraw all their money, if they resist or ask for help the understanding is that the gang will kill the remaining family members. Obviously while the family is detained they are subject to sexual assaults, rapes and torture.
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Unfortunate thing to happen but i cant see this story ending in any happy ending when it starts with three armed teens entering a house to rob it, followed by another teen confronting them with an AR15.
People have made the point that the robbers might have been armed for 'self defence or intimidation'
A knife might be use to intimidate but when it comes to brass knuckles, i cant help but feel that weapon is meant for use either in self defence or not. If you put yourself in a situation where you think you will need to use those brass knuckles due to your own actions, then i dont count that as arming yourself for self defence. So if you see a guy with a knife and another with brass knuckles in your house, it will likely end in someone severely hurt.
People have made the point that the robbers might have been armed for 'self defence or intimidation'
A knife might be use to intimidate but when it comes to brass knuckles, i cant help but feel that weapon is meant for use either in self defence or not. If you put yourself in a situation where you think you will need to use those brass knuckles due to your own actions, then i dont count that as arming yourself for self defence. So if you see a guy with a knife and another with brass knuckles in your house, it will likely end in someone severely hurt.
According to Wikipedia. Celebratory gunfire kills an alarming number of people.
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Not saying it doesn't I was replying to wolfie's post which was said JRS was wrong. JRS was correct that if something is fired at exactly vertical it hits terminal velocity which is non lethal and that it's very unlikely for anyone to achieve that hence the deaths.
Sorry mate I didn't manage to quote everyone i wanted to in my original post.(now edited) I quoted you as the end to a conversation. If you know what I mean
Nah bruv, quarterstaff innit!
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He could have taken on a few more than 3, nice little guns these AR15's
*looks at location* I thought New England was the 'sensible' side of the US
I can't help but feel the girl getting 50-60 years or whatever seems overly harsh. But then it's a perfect example that getting guns involved in *any* scenario just escalates things beyond anyone's control. 3 people are dead and a girl who *could* have been brought out of the world of crime etc. and made a decent member of society will now just rot in jail. What a waste.
No civilian needs to own an AR15 or similar. End of story. The occupant could have had a pistol and we'd be looking at one dead robber and 3 in jail. You really think they would stick around once one of their buddies has been blown away?