Shirley you can't be serious?
United Airlines - Board the plane as a doctor, leave as a patient!
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Shirley you can't be serious?
Can someone explain to me why they have this practice of overbooking flights?
I appreciate the airline doesn't want empty seats, but surely if a plane was fully booked and a dozen passengers didn't turn up to fly for whatever reason, the airline has still made their money for those seats.
I can only think of it as a greedy tactic in the hope that they sell a seat and that passenger doesn't turn up, which means they can sell it again.
I appreciate the airline doesn't want empty seats, but surely if a plane was fully booked and a dozen passengers didn't turn up to fly for whatever reason, the airline has still made their money for those seats.
I can only think of it as a greedy tactic in the hope that they sell a seat and that passenger doesn't turn up, which means they can sell it again.
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No I'm claiming that nobody would ever be asked to leave an overbooked flight for staff in the EU. Whereas in the USA it's common practice.
You've obviously not flown in America often.
why do you think this?
the EU has the same rules as America regarding it except the compensation cap is lower
£600 vs $1350
so you're more protected in the US than EU
Yes but it's a common occurance in the USA but not in the EU. This was so badly handled because the man had already boarded it seems.
New inflight headsets for on United Airlines.
Hee! That's one of the best yet.
I understand what you're saying, but at the end of the day it was him that turned the argument into a physical confrontation. Has anyone been kicked out of a club before? I haven't, but I know damn well if a bouncer asks me to leave no matter what I've done or not, I would not stand against him physically. It will only end one way and that's me getting smashed in the face. It's common sense, and is called being a sensible adult member of society. As soon as someone lowers the argument into hanging onto something like a 5yr old, well... this is what happens.
Logically the only one that can turn a confrontation into a violent one is the one who commits the violence. Unless you've forced the other party into a situation where violence is the only possible option they have left, then it's on them. Other passengers state that he just remained in his seat and kept insisting he had to go home.
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And hence brought upon himself the need to be physically ejected... If everyone just "remained in their seat" when told to do something by those in authority, and then be allowed to just get their own way, chaos would ensue. He brought it entirely upon himself, then managed to get BACK on the plane for a further confrontation...
Exactly. Don't do what the authorities say? Expect force.
The fact he managed to get back on the aircraft whilst suffering from what appears to be a fairly nasty concussion suggests the security were idiots.
Also, most reasonable people will argue for their rights when they believe that they are in the right, the difference is that in the UK it appears the police/security are less likely to immediately go for the full force approach.
In this instance it appears that he was probably in the right legally speaking, given the FAA rules on overbooking are expected to be enforced before boarding, and it wasn't even overbooking, but the airline wanting to get staff to another location (so not paying passengers).
I would not be surprised to learn the FAA and security will be looking into how exactly anyone removed from an aircraft got back on board it, as that is a massive security issue and if someone who has just been removed and is confused/concussed can do it, then it means that virtually anyone could.
I think any mind with a little imagination and flexibility should be able to come up with alternatives to force. For a start, the airline could start offering actual compensation rather than the joke of $800 of vouchers which have minimal take-up rate and which certainly don't offset a doctor not showing up at the hospital. I've no doubt that if you were taken to hospital only to be told a doctor wasn't available because he'd been offered airline vouchers, you would not be impressed. And it's not just doctors. An offering like that wouldn't be worth it to me to miss a meeting when I travelled to the USA. So right away there is one option other than violence. Another option would be to listen to why he refused and then see if any other passengers will reconsider / use a more nuanced selection process than randomly select from economy class passengers. There - two non-violent options right off the top of my head.
Regardless, the logic is sound - the one's who turn a confrontation violent are the ones that initiate violence. The notion that one forces others to commit violence on you usually (and in this case does) come down to authority responding to anyone challenging it with force.
Maybe.
Or maybe we shouldn't be happy to 'expect force' whenever we fall out of line of authorities' prescribed behaviour. Doesn't sound very democratic.
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Airlines are quite rightly and understandably jumpy these days, they aren't going to ponce about with some guy going off on one inside a `plane. If he wanted to argue he should have done it inside the airport terminal building, not started being a clever Johnny on board an aircraft.
Unfortunately planes aren't democratic. The Captain has full authority to eject anyone he wishes. And as said above, airlines are not places to argue with the authorities nowadays.
There's a new video posted of the argument preceding him being dragged off. He was threatening to sue before anyone got near him. Clown. http://www.independent.co.uk/travel...ght-3411-chicago-o-hare-airport-a7681531.html
One can also assume that for the argument to have gotten 'interesting' enough for people to start filming at that point in time, there was probably a lot more discussion that happened before the events that we see on camera.