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Official RX580,RX570,RX560 and RX550 series review thread

Cyber-Mav said:
So after reading a few reviews it looks like the 580 was a fail waiting to happen. Power consumption increased considerably but performance didnt. Its just like an Overclocked card. I dont see the benefit of the new finfet at work here unless iv missed something?
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The new process doesn't offer any performance increases, Global Foundaries and Samsung state that clearly on their websites. The latest generation 14nm process simply reduced production costs. AMD enjoys a greater profit margin with the 580.
 
I'm all power efficiency these days, I wouldn't touch the 580 with the 1060 on the market. Vega better be good or AMD might just drop the GPU desktop business.
 
Tommy_Here said:
580 is already reaching its limits out of the box overclock a 780 Ti to 1200mhz (y) duderandom 84 in his vids has the Ti matching the 480
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The 480 also overclock's and in some games the 780ti is 40-50-60% behind the 580 which the 480 can match if you have a decent chip.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=30705

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=30705

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=30717 780ti is not in this chart but it would be just about rock bottom if it was.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=30733

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=30739

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_rx_580_strix_review,23.html

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=30745

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=30723 Again not in this chart but most likely around the gtx970 level if that.

So basically the gtx780ti will overclock pretty well but not enough to get close in these games and not forgetting the 3gb of Vram which will hold it back a lot as well going forward.

Any how my point was AMD should be taking no more flack than Nvidia as they haven't moved on performance wise either in this price bracket, it's just there older cards go back in the pecking order. It's great for them as it will make people upgrade. I would be more in a hurry to upgrade my GPU if i had a 780ti compared to my 290. Where Nvidia are well ahead is in performance per watt almost making AMD cards look like Dinosaurs. AMD got as much out of GCN as they possibly could and it shows in this area. Hopefully Vega put's this right.
 
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the bigest mistake of AMD with polaris 10 is making it 36CU instead of 40CU, something isn't quite right with glofo's process, once you reach a specific clock performance per watt scaling goes upside down, dude 30% more power to get 9% performance boost, what the hek...polaris clock should have been something like 1Ghz, you probably would have 10% less performance but power efficiency would be where it was originaly planned, around 110-120watt, but with the extra 4CU we would end up with the same performance as the original 480, with plenty of OC headroom, but default efficiency would be just fine, and also the performance difference between 470 and 480 would actualy make more sense with 8CU.
was the process that crappy to not being able to put 4 extra CUs.
AMD need to get out of glofo.
 
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Unfortunately the 580 is another meh card from amd, it might be good in 2 years compared to even the 1070 but the question has to be asked why bother buying it now unless you have no option as your gfx card has died or you have a really old card or your limited by your budget.

Those of us that have cards that handle the games we play just fine have no urge to get mediocre gains for upwards of £230.
 
Bit of a bizarre image from AMD.

Near the bottom, stating the RX580 Battlefield1 60fps & RX570 Civ VI 60fps.

Good news on the FreeSync2 front.

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3. FreeSync2 does not require HDR capable monitors; driver can set monitor in native mode when FreeSycn 2 supported HDR content is detected. Otherwise, HDR content requires that the system be configured with a fully HDR-ready content chain, including: graphics card, graphics driver and application. Video content must be graded in HDR and viewed with an HDR-ready player. Windowed mode content requires operating system support. GD-105"

So older cards can have FreeSync2 added via drivers after all :D
 
Fishbait said:
Bit of a bizarre image from AMD.

Near the bottom, stating the RX580 Battlefield1 60fps & RX570 Civ VI 60fps.

Good news on the FreeSync2 front.

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3. FreeSync2 does not require HDR capable monitors; driver can set monitor in native mode when FreeSycn 2 supported HDR content is detected. Otherwise, HDR content requires that the system be configured with a fully HDR-ready content chain, including: graphics card, graphics driver and application. Video content must be graded in HDR and viewed with an HDR-ready player. Windowed mode content requires operating system support. GD-105"

So older cards can have FreeSync2 added via drivers after all :D
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Well with the 60 fps they are claiming that at 1440p and not 1080p which is about right looking at this Guru table for BF1.

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=30712

The 570 in Civ is only at 1080p.
 
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Fishbait said:
Bit of a bizarre image from AMD.

Near the bottom, stating the RX580 Battlefield1 60fps & RX570 Civ VI 60fps.

Good news on the FreeSync2 front.

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3. FreeSync2 does not require HDR capable monitors; driver can set monitor in native mode when FreeSycn 2 supported HDR content is detected. Otherwise, HDR content requires that the system be configured with a fully HDR-ready content chain, including: graphics card, graphics driver and application. Video content must be graded in HDR and viewed with an HDR-ready player. Windowed mode content requires operating system support. GD-105"

So older cards can have FreeSync2 added via drivers after all :D
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yea AMD wants to market their card per 60fps per resolution, 560 e-sport game 60fps 1080p or 720p, 570 for 60fps 1080p, 580 for 60fps at 1440p, vega 60fps @4k, pretty much it, so for legal reasons they specify a game that runs at that fps and those resolution as an exemple.
yes freesync2 is basicaly LFC capable panels.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Any how my point was AMD should be taking no more flack than Nvidia as they haven't moved on performance wise either in this price bracket, it's just there older cards go back in the pecking order. It's great for them as it will make people upgrade. I would be more in a hurry to upgrade my GPU if i had a 780ti compared to my 290. Where Nvidia are well ahead is in performance per watt almost making AMD cards look like Dinosaurs. AMD got as much out of GCN as they possibly could and it shows in this area. Hopefully Vega put's this right.
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No but, half of AMD's 200 series was a 7000 series rebadge, half of the 300 series was a 200 series rebadge (were some 7000 -> 200 -> 300 rebadges?) and now the 500 series is a 400 series rebadge.
With Nvidia the 700 series contained a bunch of 600 series rebadges but I'm not sure that much if any of the 900 series were 700 series rebadges or if any of the 1000 series were 900 series rebadges.

I think the original premise was a little flawed though.
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290 / 390 / 480 / 580, all in the similar ballpark of performance
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Is basically saying that at some point in their line-up they have a card that performs similarly to a card in their old line-up. Which seems obvious unless you expect the lowest tier 300 series card to be higher performance than the highest tier 200 series card.
Even if you take the 2nd number to represent the tier within the series coparing the 9 tier to the 8 tier doesn't make much sense. There is progression if you considering the "8" tier; 280 (7970 rebadge) -> 380 -> 480 -> 580.
And in the same way the performance of Nvidia's "6" tier has moved on; 660 -> 760 (670 rebadge?) -> 960 -> 1060.
 
I can't see the 580 breaking any sales records at the current prices. 1070 isn't much more than the 580strix, now i don't own a 1070 but I'd be pretty confident saying it would easily out perform the 580s. Just can't see who amd are pitching this too?
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
No but, half of AMD's 200 series was a 7000 series rebadge, half of the 300 series was a 200 series rebadge (were some 7000 -> 200 -> 300 rebadges?) and now the 500 series is a 400 series rebadge.
With Nvidia the 700 series contained a bunch of 600 series rebadges but I'm not sure that much if any of the 900 series were 700 series rebadges or if any of the 1000 series were 900 series rebadges.

I think the original premise was a little flawed though.
Saying
Is basically saying that at some point in their line-up they have a card that performs similarly to a card in their old line-up. Which seems obvious unless you expect the lowest tier 300 series card to be higher performance than the highest tier 200 series card.
Even if you take the 2nd number to represent the tier within the series coparing the 9 tier to the 8 tier doesn't make much sense. There is progression if you considering the "8" tier; 280 (7970 rebadge) -> 380 -> 480 -> 580.
And in the same way the performance of Nvidia's "6" tier has moved on; 660 -> 760 (670 rebadge?) -> 960 -> 1060.
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Does it matter much if it's a re badge but is still current with your competitor. The 290 was close to £400 at launch and i got it for £200 and it's still doing well in this segment compared to what's available now. It doesn't really lack anything important for gaming and is probably more dx12 and Vulkan orientated compared to the gtx1060. The only thing that lets it down is power usage. With AMD lacking funds it's not a surprise they will have to make some compromises but as the competition is still using a dx11 architecture and no faster at this price point a rebrand ain't a bad thing for AMD or people buying now. The 390 did come with twice the Vram and is showing it's worth v the gtx970 but again power is where it loses. I mean with what Nvidia have released anyone with a 290 or a 390 is not regretting keeping them as there is nothing better as the gtx1060 doesn't change anything and either did the 480.

Sure Nvidia have brought out new Shiny toys but the reality is in the £200-300 bracket they are no better than what AMD released if you ignore power usage. With more money to burn why are we not angry that Nvidia have stagnated here as well. They could easily have built a chip the size of the Polaris one and smoked it but that goes against the milking.

Any how here in Britain the RX580 cards look even worse but in America they are not anymore expensive than the Rx480 was at release and offer up around 10% more performance. They won't get any 480 or 1060 buyers but they will snag people looking to upgrade from lesser cards.
 
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Mickcas said:
I can't see the 580 breaking any sales records at the current prices. 1070 isn't much more than the 580strix, now i don't own a 1070 but I'd be pretty confident saying it would easily out perform the 580s. Just can't see who amd are pitching this too?
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Yea but you would be stupid to go for the Strix. The smart money in this bracket is to buy the cheapest card that has a decent cooler and overclock it.
 
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