Explosion in Dortmund...

Anyway, back to the topic in hand, which is pointing out the usual numpties who jump to conclusions every time a firecracker goes off and want to react in extreme ways by deporting all muslims from the western world.
 
So even when the story pans out as having nothing what so ever to do with Islam you can't let it lie can you? :rolleyes: youzza very broked son............
It's why I have him on ignore, not only does he talk rubbish in here but he is constantly ridiculed in the console gaming forum and hifi/cinema thread.

But it's no real surprise that he comes out with such rubbish, he's Sikh and they are taught from a vey young age to hate Muslims even though in the past...muslims have helped his lot;).

Thankfully my Sikh friends are not as stupid as him. Hell my aunt is married to a Sikh guy and he gives Islam a lot of respect.

As for the whole religion thing?? You get extremists in every religion...even Sikhism. But to tar a whole religion based on a handful of idiots is pretty dumb really.

It's like I've said before if Islam was really wanting to take over the world as some in here believe the case to be. Then there are over 1.5 billion muslims out for everyone's blood, there aren't in case I have to spell it out lol. Out of those 1.5 billion muslims, there is probably a few percent that want to wreak havoc on the world through whatever terrorist affiliated organisation is popular ie ISIS.
 
Out of those 1.5 billion muslims, there is probably a few percent that want to wreak havoc on the world through whatever terrorist affiliated organisation is popular ie ISIS.

there are surveys re: the views of muslims in different countries re: terror attacks - probably a bit off topic to go into here but they're not exactly reflective of the typical apologist narrative that it is just some tiny tiny minority that support terror attacks
 
It's why I have him on ignore, not only does he talk rubbish in here but he is constantly ridiculed in the console gaming forum and hifi/cinema thread.

But it's no real surprise that he comes out with such rubbish, he's Sikh and they are taught from a vey young age to hate Muslims even though in the past...muslims have helped his lot;).

Thankfully my Sikh friends are not as stupid as him. Hell my aunt is married to a Sikh guy and he gives Islam a lot of respect.

As for the whole religion thing?? You get extremists in every religion...even Sikhism. But to tar a whole religion based on a handful of idiots is pretty dumb really.

It's like I've said before if Islam was really wanting to take over the world as some in here believe the case to be. Then there are over 1.5 billion muslims out for everyone's blood, there aren't in case I have to spell it out lol. Out of those 1.5 billion muslims, there is probably a few percent that want to wreak havoc on the world through whatever terrorist affiliated organisation is popular ie ISIS.

2% of 1.5 billion is still 30 million!
 
there are surveys re: the views of muslims in different countries re: terror attacks - probably a bit off topic to go into here but they're not exactly reflective of the typical apologist narrative that it is just some tiny tiny minority that support terror attacks

Yeah, look at all these scummy Muslims supporting the terror attack in France yesterday!

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A study released by Oxford University in England last week found that Michigan Twitter feeds were flooded with fake news between Nov. 1 and 11.

According to the study (titled "Junk News and Bots during the U.S. Election: What Were Michigan Voters Sharing Over Twitter?"), fake news was widely shared from Michigan users. By the study's estimate, 46.5 percent of content presented as news in this sampling was "of an untrustworthy provenance or falls under the definition of propaganda based on its use of language and emotional appeals."
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A major new study of social-media sharing patterns shows that political polarization is more common among conservatives than liberals — and that the exaggerations and falsehoods emanating from right-wing media outlets such as Breitbart News have infected mainstream discourse.
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The FBI is reportedly set to investigate right-wing news websites like Breitbart over allegations that they worked with Russian-backed operatives to disseminate stories favouring President Donald Trump.

Investigators are looking into whether agents used online "bots" to disseminate both real and fake news stories which supported the billionaire businessman across social media, at times when his campaign appeared to be struggling.

Sources told US publisher, McClatchy that these strategically timed computer commands created millions of social media posts linking to articles on far-right websites including Breitbart News, InfoWars and the Kremlin-backed RT News and Sputnik News.
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You have to be very careful and engage critical thinking and scepticism when obtaining information today, especially from the far right where disingenuous and flat-out fake news & lies is rife !
 
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I'm not really sure how the above is really relevant to my post - firstly it has nothing to do with fake news and secondly I'm certainly not making a claim that all muslims support theses attacks - you're essentially attacking a straw man and then ironically you mention critical thinking at the end of your post...
 
Let's suppose for a second that the Islamophobes are right, and that in fact the religion itself is directly and primarily responsible for the terrorist attacks on the West...

What is your solution to the problem?
 
Let's suppose for a second that the Islamophobes are right, and that in fact the religion itself is directly and primarily responsible for the terrorist attacks on the West...

What is your solution to the problem?

Education on inclusiveness and equality. They need to focus on Inclusion especially and equality will come along with it.

Why does no muslim ever speak up when a cleric preaches hate in their mosques? They need to see everyone as equals rather than us against the kuffars. They are actually taught to hate from a young age.

Sikhs however are taught sikh history which just happens to be that muslims have attacked/killed/stole/raped our people for centuries including our gurus.

"A combination of Mughals and hillmen besieged Anandpur Sahib on the orders of emperor Aurangzeb. The stock of food in the town ran out. The Mughals promised to leave the Sikhs alone if they would hand over the fortress of Anandpur. To this Guru Gobind agreed and left the town with his family and a small band of retainers.

They had not gone very far when the Mughals, breaking their promise, came after them. Guru Gobind entrusted his two younger sons, Zorawar Singh and Fateh Singh as well as his mother, Mata Gujri, to the care of a cook in his household named Gangu.

Gangu brought Mata Gujri and the two Sahibzadas to his native village of Sahedi. Bribed by the Mughals, he turned over the three members of Guru Gobind's family to the faujdar of Morinda. They were then brought to Sirhind in the presence of Wazir Khan, the Nawab of Sirhind.

The two sons of Guru Gobind, Zorawar (9 years old) and Fateh (6 years old) were offered safe passage if they became Muslims. Both refused, and so Wazir Khan sentenced them to death. They were bricked alive.[2]"
 
Let's suppose for a second that the Islamophobes are right, and that in fact the religion itself is directly and primarily responsible for the terrorist attacks on the West...

What is your solution to the problem?

'the Islamophobes' lol

https://www.quilliaminternational.com

solutions rather than solution...

again it isn't really relevant to this thread but the above foundation is along the right lines IMO - see the Islamophobe Muslim founder Maajid Nawaz's Facebook/twitter etc.. also
 
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I am 100% convinced that it's extremism that is the problem and not the religion itself as we see horrific terrorists causing bloodshed and murder on an industrial scale in ALL RELIGIONS and ideologys around the world.

So as it's you who believes that it's the religion of Islam in itself that's the problem hows about you tell us how we solve it ???


Why does no muslim ever speak up when a cleric preaches hate in their mosques? They need to see everyone as equals rather than us against the kuffars. They are actually taught to hate from a young age.

"We made sure that we had numbers. I had 10 to 15 youngsters with me, from 18 to 25. It was very clear what we were doing. We charged in. The caretaker was taken by surprise. We asked him for the keys but he wouldn't give them to us, so we changed the locks," al-Tikriti said.
Within an hour, a couple of the radicals, including Abu Hamza's son, arrived and confronted the men, who had formed a barricade on the stairs that led to the prayer room. Then, al-Tikriti recalled, the radical's own muscle arrived.

"That was brutal. One of the youngsters got punched in the face, another got kicked in the groin. It looked like it would get very ugly. Their leader was barking in our faces and spitting. But we just laid out the terms. We said this mosque is now ours. There's nothing you can do to change that," he said.

The men left and never returned, and to this day they have stayed away, al-Tikriti said. Now Finsbury Park Mosque has almost shaken its reputation as a hub for radicals – it hosts multi-faith open days, hosts Arsenal Football Club and has once again become a positive influence in London's Muslim community, with excellent relations between councillors, police and locals.
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Education on inclusiveness and equality. They need to focus on Inclusion especially and equality will come along with it.

Why does no muslim ever speak up when a cleric preaches hate in their mosques? They need to see everyone as equals rather than us against the kuffars. They are actually taught to hate from a young age.

Sikhs however are taught sikh history which just happens to be that muslims have attacked/killed/stole/raped our people for centuries including our gurus.

"A combination of Mughals and hillmen besieged Anandpur Sahib on the orders of emperor Aurangzeb. The stock of food in the town ran out. The Mughals promised to leave the Sikhs alone if they would hand over the fortress of Anandpur. To this Guru Gobind agreed and left the town with his family and a small band of retainers.

They had not gone very far when the Mughals, breaking their promise, came after them. Guru Gobind entrusted his two younger sons, Zorawar Singh and Fateh Singh as well as his mother, Mata Gujri, to the care of a cook in his household named Gangu.

Gangu brought Mata Gujri and the two Sahibzadas to his native village of Sahedi. Bribed by the Mughals, he turned over the three members of Guru Gobind's family to the faujdar of Morinda. They were then brought to Sirhind in the presence of Wazir Khan, the Nawab of Sirhind.

The two sons of Guru Gobind, Zorawar (9 years old) and Fateh (6 years old) were offered safe passage if they became Muslims. Both refused, and so Wazir Khan sentenced them to death. They were bricked alive.[2]"

So you say Muslims are brought up being brainwashed by religious texts? Hmmmm.
 
I am 100% convinced that it's extremism that is the problem and not the religion itself as we see horrific terrorists causing bloodshed and murder on an industrial scale in ALL RELIGIONS and ideologys around the world.

So as it's you who believes that it's the religion of Islam in itself that's the problem hows about you tell us how we solve it ???

In the context of Islamic terror attacks I'm not seeing much of a link to Bhuddist extremist so denying the Islam link is pretty disingenuous.

As for solutions - the above would seem to be a reasonable start...

again this thread isn't necessarily really relevant to Islamic terror in the first place
 
There is no solving it. World war 3 might but that is hardly a solution any sane person wants. Therefore education about inclusion so they stop hating non believers and integrate is the only plausible way. However if the shoe was on the other foot they would use force as it is their way.
 
Why push this conversation so much on a thread like this?

There is a bashing thread somewhere in GD/SC that is at least relevant to your point and full of like minded thinkers.
 
'the Islamophobes' lol

https://www.quilliaminternational.com

solutions rather than solution...

again it isn't really relevant to this thread but the above foundation is along the right lines IMO - see the Islamophobe Muslim founder Maajid Nawaz's Facebook/twitter etc.. also

I wasn't addressing that at you in particular. It was aimed at the subset of people that wish to hold the entire religion of Islam responsible for the actions of terrorists, it's a clear and obvious fear and dislike of the religion as a whole, so 'Islamophobe' is a perfectly acceptable phrase to use for them.

As for the link, I thought all muslims supported the terrorists? That's what the Mail and co lead us to believe anyway. Is it perhaps true that most Muslims are just normal, moderate human beings happy going about their life without bothering anyone?
 
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