TV Licence Super Thread

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muon said:
They can't just randomly get a warrant. They need to prove suspicion to a judge.

Search warrants can actually be challenged.
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and all they would require is a pic through the window of your living room to see 5 of you gathered around watching jeremy kyle. easily obtainable unless you live in a flat.

which i imagine is the case by the sounds of it.

much harder to get away with if you live in a house.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
and all they would require is a pic through the window of your living room to see 5 of you gathered around watching jeremy kyle. easily obtainable unless you live in a flat.

which i imagine is the case by the sounds of it.

much harder to get away with if you live in a house.
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ha yeah sign the warrant judge! based on that doubt it..
 
Vonhelmet said:
Yeah... I'm not buying that everyone saying "lol don't pay it" isn't using it.
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+1

you need a license to watch any live tv at all and that includes recording live tv too. also including streaming of live tv. and now includes iplayer.

to not need a license you need to either have no tv's or only use on demand services. which is rare. i only watch a few hours of tv a week and it's not worth the hassle of getting caught to save £10 a month.
 
pooley said:
ha yeah sign the warrant judge! based on that doubt it..
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you obviously don't understand judges these days take a hard stance of the legal system being made a mockery of. judges also nowadays tend to use common sense too. back in the old days you would maybe get away with it. i'm sure if someone handed a picture to a judge of someone it's a clear cut case and yes they would approve it.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
and all they would require is a pic through the window of your living room to see 5 of you gathered around watching jeremy kyle. easily obtainable unless you live in a flat.

which i imagine is the case by the sounds of it.

much harder to get away with if you live in a house.
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I'm interested as to how they would prove that it was live TV with just a picture. What's to say it wasn't on YouTube or similar?
 
Psycho Sonny said:
you obviously don't understand judges these days take a hard stance of the legal system being made a mockery of. judges also nowadays tend to use common sense too. back in the old days you would maybe get away with it. i'm sure if someone handed a picture to a judge of someone it's a clear cut case and yes they would approve it.
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you also need to understand that the judge signing that warrant is liable and he aint going to put his money nor reputation based on some ex carsales man's dodgy phone pic. who has not legally qualified to make that claim, why do you think they need 'expert' witnesess lol
 
spoffle said:
How is it bravado to point out how it works?

Do you deny that the letters are made specifically to instill fear and worry in people who are prone to that?
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Do you deny that these threads are always full of people saying they don't pay who go quiet on the issue of whether they should be paying?
 
Vonhelmet said:
Do you deny that these threads are always full of people saying they don't pay who go quiet on the issue of whether they should be paying?
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I don't pay because it's so easy not to it's as simple as that. Plus I hardly watch anything on the BBC so that makes it alright.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Do you deny that these threads are always full of people saying they don't pay who go quiet on the issue of whether they should be paying?
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I deny that as these threads are often full of people like me who do not pay and when asked if we should, we do not go quiet but explain we should not pay and constantly have problems with the TV licence people.


VincentHanna said:
I said it in other threads. 47p per day for the BBC is a bargain. One of the best broadcasters in the World and we are lucky to have it
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That sounds like a rip off to me not a bargain. Over double the price of other broadcast options for half as much content and BBC spend less money on new content that is also often lower quality.
 
Broadcast TV is a waste of time imo. Nothing worth watching at all. Everything I need is on streaming services and youtube. Watch what I want when I want and there is a shed load of excellent shows on Prime/Netflix currently. I am sure there will be a lot more over the next few years. Broadcast TV cannot compete now. That's why I don't need a TVL and why I have not needed one for many many years now.

TBH considering I have not looked at a TV listing site/paper/magazine etc for over 6 years I don't even know what's being shown now. I assume Eastenders, Corrie and Emmerdale is still on? Massive amount of reality shows I would guess. The TVL is not worth anything to me. Before you say but BBC make great documentaries etc, yes they do but apart from new techniques, higher resolution and the like, there is nothing new. If I need a footy fix I'll watch it down the pub. Movies fix - Bluray or stream to xbox same applies to TV shows. I have no idea why people still watch broadcast TV now a days. I'm not saying there is nothing worth watching at all, in my eyes there is nothing but I would imagine to those who do pay the TVL and watch TV there is something worth while. Apart from the soaps, news, reality shows and occasional sporting event what is there on TV now? Serious question as I have no clue.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
to not need a license you need to either have no tv's or only use on demand services. which is rare. i only watch a few hours of tv a week and it's not worth the hassle of getting caught to save £10 a month.
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I'm not so sure it is that rare any more. It certainly was 10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago, but now with decent offerings from netflix, amazon prime, etc., it's easy to legitimately watch TV without a tv licence.

I don't watch (or even have the means to record) broadcast tv or use iplayer, so I see no reason to pay for a tv licence "just in case". I do have Amazon prime and nowtv entertainment+film subscriptions though, which to me represents much better value (although I'll probably swap nowtv for netflix soon).

When it was legal to watch iplayer without a license, I'll admit I did watch the odd programme on it, but now you do need a licence (fair enough, really) I've just stopped - it's nowhere near worth ~£12/month to me given how little I used it.
 
Vonhelmet said:
The prosecution rests, your honour.
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To be fair that is how most things work.

Do you reckon many people would pay tax if you would get away with not paying?

That is exactly the problem many countries with poor tax collection systems face.

The UK fortunately is able to enforce a lot of tax laws and so people are used to just paying what is due.

The BBC licence tax should either be collected via normal progressive tax systems to remove evasion or be scrapped as a tax altogether and turned into a subscription model (or at least parts of it). It will also come under scrutiny in so far as whether people should be forced (remember you have to pay if you watch any live tv, BBC or otherwise) to spend billions on the BBC.

Before people claim it isn't a tax, it is officially a tax.

https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldselect/ldbbc/128/128i.pdf

The entire tax section is worth a read, but paragraphs 28 and 29 are the most relevant.

My opinion is that the BBC is a good thing, but it is simply too big and it's remit is too wide. Also forcing poor households to pay £147 every year when they are happy watching other free TV is grossly unfair. What if people don't wish to pay for Eastenders or MOTD and would rather spend £147 on something else.
 
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