AMD VEGA confirmed for 2017 H1

Nexus18 · 24 May 2017 at 12:54

JediFragger said:
Fairy muff, I'll STFU

I personally can't wait for TV's to get VRR tech and the gfx cards to support it, then they'll be a REAL option

Please stop hating on the LG though, they're awesome tbh (and I don't feel any obvious in put lag, but I'm not into twitch shooters)

Not hating on LG, in fact I love them as they have led the TV market into the future display tech. i.e. OLED, just wish they would do the same for the monitor side now....

I hate on the monitor manufacturing side (for all brands)

The monitor market has been stagnant for so long with very old outdated basic tech (the only improvements we have got has been resolutions bumps with higher refresh rates and sync tech, there hasn't been any attempt to drastically improve the IQ side of things, instead QC has decreased and it could be argued that the IQ is worse now due to severe bleed, glow etc. issues) and they still charge ridiculous prices for it (one reason prices are higher are due to all the returns...) and then seeing these so called HDR displays from dell and LG i.e. still the exact same basic IPS panels we have seen for the last 4+ years but slightly higher brightness and 10 bit (which iirc, is still only 8 bit but with FRC) = HDR.... :mad:

/rant

But back to vega!

humbug · 24 May 2017 at 13:06

N19h7m4r3 said:
Time to Rip and Tear?

That Threadripper CPU is huge. what a beast :O

Its actually a cutdown version of the 64 thread EPYC CPU.

JediFragger · 24 May 2017 at 13:12

Nexus18 said:
Not hating on LG, in fact I love them as they have led the TV market into the future display tech. i.e. OLED, just wish they would do the same for the monitor side now....

I hate on the monitor manufacturing side (for all brands) The monitor market has been stagnant for so long with very old outdated basic tech (the only improvements we have got has been resolutions bumps with higher refresh rates and sync tech, there hasn't been any attempt to drastically improve the IQ side of things, instead QC has decreased and it could be argued that the IQ is worse now due to severe bleed, glow etc. issues) and they still charge ridiculous prices for it (one reason prices are higher are due to all the returns...) and then seeing these so called HDR displays from dell and LG i.e. still the exact same basic IPS panels we have seen for the last 4+ years but slightly higher brightness and 10 bit (which iirc, is still only 8 bit but with FRC) = HDR.... /rant

But back to vega!

My next monitor is going to be an OLED HDR panel I think in a few years. I've bought enough of the old-guard LCD stuff now

AllBodies · 24 May 2017 at 13:19

JediFragger said:
My next monitor is going to be an OLED HDR panel I think in a few years. I've bought enough of the old-guard LCD stuff now

We might start seeing another tech emerge soon. (I know this is a tad off topic)

Samsung has been using Quantum Dots to improve the colours on their LCD tech, essentially like a colour filter/enhancement layer.

But them and the company they get the QDots off are experimenting with making a new form of display where the QDots themselves are the pixels. So not LCD, or Plasma, or OLED. Something totally new that just goes Electricity -> QDot pixel -> Light.

Promises to be both cheaper and better than OLED in most metrics, and presumably shrinks better too (i.e. higher PPI) since QDots themselves can be stupidly small.

Nexus18 · 24 May 2017 at 13:38

I think the next big thing for monitors will be the full array local dimming HDR monitors, it will certainly be a big step up compared to the current LCD monitors anyway and will also hopefully reduce the severity of things like glow, back light bleed but again, it won't be cheap coming in at $2000

Hopefully if/when more LCD monitors adopt FALD and we get freesync models, this price tag will drop considerably.... (especially since FALD has been around for ages in quite a few TVs)

JediFragger said:
My next monitor is going to be an OLED HDR panel I think in a few years. I've bought enough of the old-guard LCD stuff now

Yup hopefully we will see OLED monitors in 2018, although I suspect it won't be till at least 2019 and probably 2020 for mass consumer OLED monitors.... The monitor industry needs to milk LCD tech some more

nashathedog · 24 May 2017 at 13:50

N19h7m4r3 said:
Oooooh! A monitor I might get for Vega, just needs LFC

The panel need to mature at the moment, Once they get wide working ranges and LFC like you said they'll be great monitors.

uksoldierboy · 24 May 2017 at 13:55

I know a release date isn't known yet, but how long roughly can we expect to wait for Vega?
I've been away from PC gaming for a while, trying to catch up, ordered a new rig today but I'm GPU less

I'll probably get the gigabyte Aorus extreme 1080ti if not AMD.

Steampunk · 24 May 2017 at 13:58

uksoldierboy said:
I know a release date isn't known yet, but how long roughly can we expect to wait for Vega?
I've been away from PC gaming for a while, trying to catch up, ordered a new rig today but I'm GPU less

I'll probably get the gigabyte Aorus extreme 1080ti if not AMD.

We'll find out at the Computex event at the end of May. My best guess is an announcement at the end of May, availability by the end of June.

beany_bot · 24 May 2017 at 14:04

humbug said:
That Threadripper CPU is huge. what a beast :O

Its actually a cutdown version of the 64 thread EPYC CPU.

Good lord above! I thought people were saying that R9/threadripper was going to be on the AM4 platform?? Yeah right. got a crowbar?

andybird123 · 24 May 2017 at 14:05

Wrinkly said:
Does it cost more? Looks like less silicon to me.

interposer is made of silicon so its much more silicon as its the interposer plus gpu die plus memory IC's stacked, assembling the interposer is also a non-trivial additional step which hasnt reached commoditiy pricing yet

You need to think in 3 dimensions with hbm2 to get the total amount of silicon!

humbug · 24 May 2017 at 14:28

beany_bot said:
Good lord above! I thought people were saying that R9/threadripper was going to be on the AM4 platform?? Yeah right. got a crowbar?

Its AMD's equivalent to Intel's X299, or currently X99.

with 8 core 16 threads already on 'Mainstream AM4' It was never going be AM4, AM4 is a socket with a size and 32 threads is just too big for it, this CPU has over four thousand pins, natively it also has 128 PCIe lanes, 8 memory channels, all that socketed on the CPU, it is massive, its far more CPU than anything Intel have.

Its a mammoth processor, a marvel of micro engendering :O

LoadsaMoney · 24 May 2017 at 14:30

N19h7m4r3 said:
Oooooh! A monitor I might get for Vega, just needs LFC

I wouldn't bother, won't be powerful enough to run it, unless you get 2x, and the state of Xfire

FreeSync on a monitor, only Nvidia have the power to run, LMFAO!.

beany_bot · 24 May 2017 at 14:30

humbug said:
Its AMD's equivalent to Intel's X299, or currently X99.

with 8 core 16 threads already on 'Mainstream AM4' It was never going be AM4, AM4 is a socket with a size and 32 threads is just too big for it, this CPU has over four thousand pins, natively it also has 128 PCIe lanes, 8 memory channels, all that socketed on the CPU, it is massive, its far more CPU than anything Intel have.

So will R9 and EPYC share a platform? Did I get confused with that?

humbug · 24 May 2017 at 14:33

beany_bot said:
So will R9 and EPYC share a platform? Did I get confused with that?

EPYC is a server platform but It looks like they share the same socket so yes, maybe...

How big can you get? There is also a 96 thread "Starship" CPU coming down the line

Thats no joke, google it.

nashathedog · 24 May 2017 at 14:36

N19h7m4r3 said:
Time to Rip and Tear?

I wonder how much this set up would cost, even with one card you're looking at ram alone costing an arm and a leg, I'm loving how big the chip cover is, It'd make a great Tea coaster.

z10m · 24 May 2017 at 14:38

Nexus18 said:
Only reasons to go with a monitor these days are if you want:

- a small display
- free/g sync
- low input lag, as in <10ms

I actually have a 2016 LG B6 OLED and I can tell you that if you want proper (monitor grade) picture quality you will have to use it in PC mode where input lag is around 70-80 ms which is unusable.
In game mode the input lag drops to around 27-28ms but picture quality is terrible on some colours.

Nexus18 · 24 May 2017 at 14:45

z10m said:
I actually have a 2016 LG B6 OLED and I can tell you that if you want proper (monitor grade) picture quality you will have to use it in PC mode where input lag is around 70-80 ms which is unusable.
In game mode the input lag drops to around 27-28ms but picture quality is terrible on some colours.

Look at some sites/youtube videos for user settings to somewhat fix that problem but yes, the picture quality/colour still isn't quite as good as the "non game mode" but it is still far superior than monitors IQ.

That (been fixed with the b7 this year) along with lack of sync tech. (among a few other things) is why I might hold of until the 2018+ OLED TVs

hyperseven · 24 May 2017 at 14:46

nashathedog said:
I wonder how much this set up would cost, even with one card you're looking at ram alone costing an arm and a leg, I'm loving how big the chip cover is, It'd make a great Tea coaster.

You do know that is just a render

beany_bot · 24 May 2017 at 14:47

Soon we will have

nashathedog said:
I wonder how much this set up would cost, even with one card you're looking at ram alone costing an arm and a leg, I'm loving how big the chip cover is, It'd make a great Tea coaster.

more threads than Hz.... Give me a faster core!

beany_bot · 24 May 2017 at 14:48

Soon we will have

nashathedog said:
I wonder how much this set up would cost, even with one card you're looking at ram alone costing an arm and a leg, I'm loving how big the chip cover is, It'd make a great Tea coaster.

more threads than Hz.... Give me a faster core!