Is it now time that our police are all armed?

Greebo said:
Although that is true you cannot equally say that cutting it lead to a 20% increase in revenue either. Who is to say that there might not have been a 22% increase in revenue if it hadnt been cut?

Take the company I work for. In that period of cutting we have gone from paying almost zero corporation tax to hundreds of thousands. is that because the rate was cut? No. Would we have paid even more if the rate hadnt been cut? Yes.
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Freakbro said:
As I pointed out in another thread, correlation doesn't necessary mean causation.

There are plenty of other reasons why receipts went up.

"Higher average net profits, less investment, crackdown on profit shifting, banks becoming profitable again as they've used up their financial crash losses ....All reasons why the tax take has risen that have nothing to do with a cut in the rate"
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I was just urging caution, that the impact of increases may not have the desired result. After all using taxation to change behaviour is a very common tactic.
 
RDM said:
I was just urging caution, that the impact of increases may not have the desired result. After all using taxation to change behaviour is a very common tactic.
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But i wasnt advocating increasing them, I was saying that when the decision was made to cut Police and especially cut armed police due to lack of funds when you could have either dropped your planned 1% corporation tax cut or not aim to cut the deficit quite so fast, somebody decided that cutting armed Police was the right thing to do.
 
Evangelion said:
Australian police are armed, and we manage to find the money for it quite easily.



I see you've never been to Australia, where the scenarios you're describing don't actually occur.
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You find the money by prostituting your environment out and killing the land. Don't lecture us.
 
absolutely, i've lived most of my life in places with routinely armed police and shock horror there is no criminal arms race, no street shootouts, no cops getting guns stolen, it's just another item on their belt they can call upon on the rare occasion it should be needed.

these scenarios people are coming up with are crazy, utterly crazy.
 
One of my family members works as a police officer in our town, and obviously a lot of her friends are also police officers and after meeting quite a few of them, the thought of giving them a gun is a scary proposition. Just watching some of them with hand cuffs and a baton is scary enough.
 
It would be a step to "normalising" guns in UK culture. Which should be no.
Every cop here iñ Sweden is packing a 9mm and it does make me feel a bit on edge, in a respectful way.
Huge hunting culture here and many gun owners. There was a story on the local rag a month ago of a guy taking a skorpian machine pistol to the pub with him.... Made me laugh.
 
I don't hear too much of a call for this from the Police themselves and surely they would be in a good position to determine the pros and cons. Whilst not wanting to downplay the significance of the current level of terrorist threat, I fail to see how arming more police would actually help matters. One thing that I did ponder over the weekend was why terrorists have elected to use knife attack as a methodology for mass murder. Perhaps it is the drama or related to the particular style of caliphate they are following or maybe it is because guns are actually quite hard to come by in the UK due to the regulation we have in place. That has to be a good thing as it almost doesn't bear thinking about the damage one of these nutters could do with an AK47.

Saturday's events were terrible but I cannot see how arming more police officers does anything other than increase the number of messy situations they get into. It's not that long ago we had riots in north London due to armed police shooting someone. More guns inevitably means more shooting and more mistakes.
 
The Police Feredation asked officers whether routine arming was supported. The results that came out early this year showed only 26% of respondants supported routine arming. 3/4 supported routine taser carry though.

It's worth noting that the BTP officer that confronted the attackers with his baton can't carry taser as he's still in his 2 year probation. Both probationers and specials can't carry taser due to NPCC rules - which is ridiculous.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
The Police Feredation asked officers whether routine arming was supported. The results that came out early this year showed only 26% of respondants supported routine arming. 3/4 supported routine taser carry though.

It's worth noting that the BTP officer that confronted the attackers with his baton can't carry taser as he's still in his 2 year probation. Both probationers and specials can't carry taser due to NPCC rules - which is ridiculous.
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Is that 26% figure due to any AFO who does fatally discharge their weapon in the course of duty being thrown straight under a bus by the IPCC?
 
No, it will end up providing a much less solid framework for the transport of weapons into the country and within 10 years you can bet that the black market will be reaming with arms.

What we have right now is entirely respectable, there just needs to be a higher density of police.
 
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