Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[ljt]

Stop bringing common sense into this thread!!!!!

But yes, people should be more worried about the price at this point now, gibbo has already come out and said that the day of good VGA sales are gone due to the mining craze and memory prices sky rocketing (even more for gpus with lots of memory) and the 580s going for £300 so we definitely aren't going to see any gaming vega card below £400, possibly the least being £350 but that is a stretch unless AMD are planning a price cut across their range, which is also unlikely due to the mining craze.....

Still, we have had some come out and say that the price to performance is very attractive so who knows.....

And yes, I have a feeling that a lot of people will just move to a console if gaming vega disappoints, which will only be more bad news for PC gaming as a whole.

I will be getting a ps 4 pro regardless but if vega is **** then I will just skip upgrading the PC/GPU until the "PC master race" actually becomes the master race again. Like I said a year+ ago, PC gaming market is on the road to becoming an extreme enthusiast platform only now, especially if AMD can't get their act together....

The current RX570/580 and GTX1070 prices should bear no resemblance to VEGA prices.

The prices they are currently selling at are simply inflated prices from the retailer onwards, not a RRP price increase from AMD/Nvidia directly (other than the increase in cost of memory chips, but that doesn't account for the huge increase that we are currently seeing) - The RRP of the 8gb RX580 is $229, perhaps closer to $259 with the memory price increase. This hasn't changed, only what the retailer charges to the end user.

There's plenty of space in the RRP for a $350 - $500 VEGA GPU still. Although it won't stop retailers charging what they like if VEGA does indeed turn out to be great for mining.

Regarding consoles. I've done exactly what you are planning to do, I've got a PS4 pro and currently enjoying Horizon ZD. There's no hassle, just put disc in and play, no faffing around making sure drivers are up to date, no messing with settings to get it playable, stress free gaming!

 

[five8five]

It wouldn't be the first time Nvidia has given "guidance" to websites as to how to test AMD cards against their own products. It's much of a muchness without proper gaming drivers, or even a proper gaming card.

Just had a look at their last GPU review and Doom isn't on the list
Dirt Rally
Fallout 4
GTA V
Hitman
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Witcher 3
3D Mark
Heaven
Power Consumption
It was a livestream of the review.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I wonder what went wrong since the old Doom demo on Vega.
Back then it was matching a 2Ghz GTX 1080 in 4K Doom in Vulkan, while running as an engineering sample on Fiji drivers, with a debugging layer and usb debugging on the PCB.

Now it's apparently even slower than that. In some games barely above Fury X, in other like GTA V 10fps slower than GTX 1070; and even in games like DIRT rally that AMD does well in loses to Titan Xp by over 50FPS on average.

Funky card and launch is funky.

Bring on Siggraph and a proper explanation from Raja. I'll also be listening to the Q2 Investor call and Q&A; I'm sure some investors will have questions regarding this "Vega launch".

 

[Nexus18]

CBA looking now but I am 95% certain that doom got about an extra 20/30 fps in a driver update for the fury x (went from like 60/70 to 80/90)

Found it:

So did the fury x download some more processing power or did the game developers/AMD do some of this sorcery called "optimisation"

The current RX570/580 and GTX1070 prices should bear no resemblance to VEGA prices.

The prices they are currently selling at are simply inflated prices from the retailer onwards, not a RRP price increase from AMD/Nvidia directly (other than the increase in cost of memory chips, but that doesn't account for the huge increase that we are currently seeing) - The RRP of the 8gb RX580 is $229, perhaps closer to $259 with the memory price increase. This hasn't changed, only what the retailer charges to the end user.

There's plenty of space in the RRP for a $350 - $500 VEGA GPU still. Although it won't stop retailers charging what they like if VEGA does indeed turn out to be great for mining.

Regarding consoles. I've done exactly what you are planning to do, I've got a PS4 pro and currently enjoying Horizon ZD. There's no hassle, just put disc in and play, no faffing around making sure drivers are up to date, no messing with settings to get it playable, stress free gaming!

You have to take into account the prices of AMD current cards that you can buy at this very moment though. It doesn't matter if that is not the set price from AMD as at the end of the day, the only place you can buy these gpus from are the retailers such as ocuk unless AMD sell directly themselves.....

In the current market, no retailer will sell vega at anything cheaper than £350 as no one would buy a 580 then other than miners.


And yup that is all I want now, stress free gaming, I'm hoping for some good bundle deals near the end of this year with black friday/xbox1x release and all, not in any particular rush as all the upcoming games I'm wanting to play aren't out till next year

EDIT:

And look at the increase for fallout 4:

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Think he said he was doing their test game list as in a proper review and time would possibly be tight. He did take requests - mining for example.

While I can see his point. But if he was taking requests then time isn't as tight as it sounds. Also how are they not curious about this rubbish performance and the regression. It's their job. When the written review comes out, we'll see if they are worth their salt, or if they are just going to spit out numbers and call it done.

 

[Feoilban]

I gave up on waiting and gone to the green side

bought an evga SC 1070 for 360 pounds

 

[triss]

You have to take into account the prices of AMD current cards that you can buy at this very moment though. It doesn't matter if that is not the set price from AMD as at the end of the day, the only place you can buy these gpus from are the retailers such as ocuk unless AMD sell directly themselves.....

In the current market, no retailer will sell vega at anything cheaper than £350 as no one would buy a 580 then other than miners.

+1
If 580's are atm £300-600 Vega is going to come in at in the £600+ price market IMO

 

[Martini1991]

AMD could combat this with a simple firestrike run on a VEGA RX right now. All they need to do is do that as a tease on FB etc.

 

[DragonQ]

If the lower tier RX Vega card with 1080 performance comes in for £500 plus, you'll have your pick of cards. As NVIDIA will most likely adjust their prices slightly on release, making the price/performance argument a difficult one.

Freesync owners will have tricky decision.

Obviously the mining craze has screwed over the market but prior to that, the best RX 480s were selling for ~£250. For there not to be any cards between that and a ~£500 RX Vega is madness to me. Even nVidia's GTX 1070 was a good £100-150 more than the GTX 1060 6 GB versions. AMD needs something in the GTX 1070 price range at least, regardless of performance levels.

+1
If 580's are atm £300-600 Vega is going to come in at in the £600+ price market IMO

What happens when the mining craze dies or supply is restored to meet demand of the RX 580 though? They can't just hugely increase the RRP of the RX 580 and they can't really have a $350 gap between their upper-mid range card and their high-end card.

 

[Nexus18]

My money is on vega coming in at £400, definitely no less than £350, if big gaming vega is near/about 1080ti performance then £550-600......

 

[Gregster]

My memory is poor but did anyone see the card when Vega was demoed all that way back? I am just wondering if they didn't do something naughty, as things are not really adding up with what we are expecting.

 

[JediFragger]

Now it's apparently even slower than that. In some games barely above Fury X, in other like GTA V 10fps slower than GTX 1070; and even in games like DIRT rally that AMD does well in loses to Titan Xp by over 50FPS on average.

I'm just hoping they're being sly and still sandbagging performance

 

[pagepack]

My money is on vega coming in at £400, definitely no less than £350, if big gaming vega is near/about 1080ti performance then £550-600......

I hope you're right. If the price is pushing near 500 and 650, they won't be shifting too many.

I hope Ryzen pricing is a good indicator, but I fear manufacturing costs will keep pricing higher than we are expecting.

 

[eddyr]

no matter what happens between now and rx launch, the chip fab is currently spitting out chips that are 25% slower in clock speed than tsmc.

i would not worry about this per se but it puts a lid on expectations.

still excited about ryzen/vega combo for laptop gaming as honestly, i am totally fed up with the intel/nvidia price gouge which has resulted in this year's laptop upgrade costing me approx £800 more than previous years.

as i have said before 1080 perf for 1080p/1440p is perfectly acceptable to me in the context that nvidia can no longer charge what it likes.

The Ryzen APU or ryzen+discrete vega for laptops? I can't see the APU going too far beyond HD7870/rx560 performance, and that would require an hbm cache to get to the 128 Gb/s of bandwidth that the discrete cards ship with.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

I'm just hoping they're being sly and still sandbagging performance

Well at the moment Frontier Edition does worse at Doom 4K than the old Vega Engineering sample that ran with fury drivers, and a debugging layer, on a development testing PCB with USB ports on for monitoring.

 

[Kaapstad]

For a bit of fun guys could you post a video that you best think sums up Vega.

Here is mine taking into account the 375watts TDP.

 

[Gerard]

My memory is poor but did anyone see the card when Vega was demoed all that way back? I am just wondering if they didn't do something naughty, as things are not really adding up with what we are expecting.

Yes, linus was able to get them to open the case though it was an engineering sample with tape covering part of it.

 

[harney]

That's a very strange attitude. I'm curious as to why he refused to test Doom. Did he test prey or the star wars game?

Seems like a very fishy attitude to me.

Yes very strange indeed
to see some doom results on the FE so to compare to the tests done on the black gaffa taped VEGA 6 months ago would have been great

Regarding consoles. I've done exactly what you are planning to do, I've got a PS4 pro and currently enjoying Horizon ZD. There's no hassle, just put disc in and play, no faffing around making sure drivers are up to date, no messing with settings to get it playable, stress free gaming!

Yes agree with you they certainly less hassle for sure ...but look at it this way its a win win for AMD if peeps go console

My memory is poor but did anyone see the card when Vega was demoed all that way back? I am just wondering if they didn't do something naughty, as things are not really adding up with what we are expecting.

Just saw a card with black gaffa tape over the power plugs ...but i agree something is fishy for sure ...as i and others in the LIVE pcper stream of Vega FE was spamming the chat to please test doom but was a no go

 

[Freddie1980]

I hope you're right. If the price is pushing near 500 and 650, they won't be shifting too many.

I hope Ryzen pricing is a good indicator, but I fear manufacturing costs will keep pricing higher than we are expecting.

AMD have clearly aimed Vega FE at Nvidia professional line as it massively undercuts the P5000 while providing a lot of the performance in most task so in that regard it's being pitched to how Ryzen is being sold:

Sure the gaming results are terrible but we should cut AMD some slack as they said time and time again the FE edition wasn't a gaming card and early analysis shows the FE edition appears to have tiled rasterization disabled.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I woke up today seems to be bad news all around.......... severely severely SEVERELY disappointing.

Even nvidia fan boys should be very annoyed by this. Less competition is just bad all around for everyone.... AMD WHY U DO DIZ?