Are gay folks getting too much attention?

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Personally I am disagreeable with anyone displaying affection in public straight or gay (anything more than hand holding, hugs or pecks has no place IMO, and should be kept behind closed doors).

Personally shocked to hear that members of the LGBT community still get physically assaulted etc, the last time I heard about this was in the 90s when a gay friend of mine got glassed in a pub in St Albans.

Honestly I still find it hard to watch a couple of men kiss and embrace. Does this make me a homophobic? I don't think so, its just a reaction to something that sits in opposition to what I find attractive. I wouldn't find it offensive it a gay man or woman said that they felt awkward watching a straight couple share affection. Each unto their own......eye of the beholder and all that.

I understand why gay pride exists, from my perspective its trying to endorse acceptance for the LGBT community. However I am not sure if its needed. In many cases its preaching to the converted that its not a big deal, so why make it a big deal by having such an event? Morgan Freeman makes a similar point about racism in a discussion about black history month.


To those people that are homophobic I would be surprised if an openly anti LGBT individual has his or her opinion swayed because they witnessed gay pride.

Thank you. This post is exactly how i feel about the whole thing. The more you talk about it, the more divided you become. Just be. That freeman video is spot on
 
Thread in a nutshell. Bunch of straight guys don't get what all the fuss is about Gay Pride.

It's not about you or for you, dumbasses.

Yeah, in the same way that white pride isn't about people who aren't "white". Obviously.

Any biological group pride ideology is about everyone, whether they're the target or not. In the case of gay pride, heterosexual people are the target and so it's very much about them.
 
Lol, get with the times man, it's only 'too much screen time' if it irks you, for those of us that it doesn't irk there is no over-representation at all. Confirmation bias is a real thing.

It's not representative of society though, I have number of gay friends who I've known for years, they don't tell me details of their relationships or advertise their sexuality at every opportunity, generally speaking it's not discussed at all because there isn't any reason too.
 
It's not representative of society though, I have number of gay friends who I've known for years, they don't tell me details of their relationships or advertise their sexuality at every opportunity, generally speaking it's not discussed at all because there isn't any reason too.

Tbf, I think there is reason too. Prejudice is born of ignorance, and there's only one way to fight ignorance...
 
It is representative. As you said your friends are just normal guys who don't go on about it. How is that meant to translate on the screen. If they didn't tell you they were gay or put themselves into gay situations how is one meant to know?

TV/Movies are just a hyperreal representation of the cross section of society. There are gay characters because it shows that there are gay people who are "normal" whatever that is.
 
At one point in my workplace I'd guess that ~50% of the employees were homosexual or bisexual. Mostly an odd coincidence of a high turnover of staff. Nobody's bothered counting on a company-wide level though because nobody cares. It's never been treated as anything important. Which is right, because it isn't important. Perhaps the company will soon be forced to treat sexuality as being of paramount importance, given the current political campaigning to force everyone to do so, but I hope not.

I only know the figure as they have just had a Diversity and Inclusion programme launched, 4% of our staff are also veterans, and 5% have a disability.
 
Yeah, in the same way that white pride isn't about people who aren't "white". Obviously.

Any biological group pride ideology is about everyone, whether they're the target or not. In the case of gay pride, heterosexual people are the target and so it's very much about them.

You left out the "imo" at the end of all that.
 
The world doesn't revolve around you though. There are thousands of kids and even adults struggling with their sexuality. Seeing gay characters in TV shows helps promote acceptance and diversity.

I'd take your discomfort over 40% transgender suicide attempt rate and the second highest rated cause of young adult death, suicide because of their sexuality.
 
Tbf, I think there is reason too. Prejudice is born of ignorance, and there's only one way to fight ignorance...

If you think you're going to change someone attitude by being forcing the issue again and again then i think you need to reassess you thinking on the human mind. People general just want to live there lives and pushing the subject constantly will make people tired of it all. For example, I want to sit down and watch Dr Who again without being preached at on the latest SJW political rant. I just want to watch good sci-fi, now that's been ruined since it's return but to be fair it's a lot better now since Steven Moffat took over

And now in movies it's some sort of crime to be a white man who does anything positive or saves the day (How dare he!!!!) Only the Marvel movies do this right, perhaps that's why every Marvel film does gangbusters in the cinema and everything else is bombing badly in the last few years?
 
Tbf, I think there is reason too. Prejudice is born of ignorance, and there's only one way to fight ignorance...

100% prejudice is born out of ignorance, but the method and vehicle of educating people is massively important.

Gay pride IMO damages the method.

To the ignorant watching the LGBT community turn themselves into a stereotype is tantamount to a red rag to a bull in exposing the very differences that these people are afraid of.

Normalization needs to show that the LGBT community are just like everybody else. By all means have a 'gay' character in a TV series or movie, but dont let their sexuality define them when it really isnt relevant.
 
Wow...

That, ladies and gentlemen is a classic example of why the word 'tolerate' is one of the most despicable words in the English language...

I would delete that post Evo... unless you want to reply to things for the next 7 hours.
Its opinion and how one feels, its exactly the reason why we all have to tolerate living with each other. That is civilisation. So no, no deletion at all.
 
Understood. You don't like one gay person so it justifies hating all gay people. Got ya.

Sorry being savagely beaten enough to go to hospital by a straight person is somehow an inconvenience to you when I play a victim card.

You're repeatedly lying about and slandering people. You're acting as such an aggressive way and blaming the target of your abuse that you couldn't be more of a cliche if you were demanding "Did you spill my pint?" in someone's face.

If you're trying to promote prejudice against homosexuals, you're going about it the right way and you're a very unpleasant person.

If you're not, you're a fool and you're a very unpleasant person.
 
There are things I don't need to know. :rolleyes:


I sort of see where you're coming from... but at the same time I sort of think "who cares?".


100% prejudice is born out of ignorance, but the method and vehicle of educating people is massively important.

Gay pride IMO damages the method.

To the ignorant watching the LGBT community turn themselves into a stereotype is tantamount to a red rag to a bull in exposing the very differences that these people are afraid of.

Normalization needs to show that the LGBT community are just like everybody else. By all means have a 'gay' character in a TV series or movie, but dont let their sexuality define them when it really isnt relevant.

Yeah, it's such a difficult subject to talk about... I don't even think it's half as complicated as we all tend to make it out to be.

All I'll say is (before I go off to drink my weight in Gin) it's been mostly refreshing reading some of the points here. It's not the usual cess pit of extremes that one so often finds in GD threads. Have a good weekend all, no matter who's warming the other side of your bed!
 
Yeah, in the same way that white pride isn't about people who aren't "white". Obviously.

Any biological group pride ideology is about everyone, whether they're the target or not. In the case of gay pride, heterosexual people are the target and so it's very much about them.

Are you really going to carry on comparing gay pride with white supremacist movements. It's completely absurd. I don't even know where to start.

Also your constant assertion that any expression of pride HAS to be motivated in every case by your own personally defined and very specific set of criteria is a ridiculous oversimplification of human psychology and behaviour in general. Yet ironically you have constantly accused people of this same kind of simplemindedness and black and white thinking.
 
It is representative. As you said your friends are just normal guys who don't go on about it. How is that meant to translate on the screen. If they didn't tell you they were gay or put themselves into gay situations how is one meant to know?

TV/Movies are just a hyperreal representation of the cross section of society. There are gay characters because it shows that there are gay people who are "normal" whatever that is.

Every show seems to have the token gay guy/couple now, it's not very subtle at all, real life is rarely like that, you can know people for years and never really know them.

But as you said, it's TV so they will go overboard.

Tbf, I think there is reason too. Prejudice is born of ignorance, and there's only one way to fight ignorance...

But at the same time if you keep talking about it you turn somebody that isn't an issue into one.
 
Wow...

That, ladies and gentlemen is a classic example of why the word 'tolerate' is one of the most despicable words in the English language...

I would delete that post Evo... unless you want to reply to things for the next 7 hours.

I'm not convinced that tolerance is a despicable thing. In fact, I think it's a very good thing.
 
You're repeatedly lying about and slandering people. You're acting as such an aggressive way and blaming the target of your abuse that you couldn't be more of a cliche if you were demanding "Did you spill my pint?" in someone's face.

If you're trying to promote prejudice against homosexuals, you're going about it the right way and you're a very unpleasant person.

If you're not, you're a fool and you're a very unpleasant person.
Try and catch up, I thought his post was an attack and I apologised for it. Not sure why me being a fool somehow gives people a free pass to hate all gay people. It seems like you are looking for the smallest excuse to do so.

I'm not convinced that tolerance is a despicable thing. In fact, I think it's a very good thing.

It's the way in which he used it. Saying you tolerate something means you think you are in a superior position and allowing something you feel is inferior to happen.
 
Are you really going to carry on comparing gay pride with white supremacist movements. It's completely absurd. I don't even know where to start.

I suggest starting by reading what I've actually written. I have never compared gay pride with white supremacist movements.
 
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