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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Most troubling thing is that Amd is dead silent and doesn't do any damage control. If performance indeed was much better they would be screaming about that at the top of their lungs right now
 
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EsaT said:
And kiss goodbyes to chances of staying in best position for future console CPU/GPU market?
Which has kept AMD going in past years.

What hurt AMD was Intel's dirty and illegal market tactics when AMD had superior CPU while Intel had its failure with NetBurst/Pentium 4.
http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/intel-and-the-x86-architecture-a-legal-perspective

After that AMD had similar architectural failure with Bulldozer, killing their market share in high profit margin high end worstation/server markets.
Ryzen is that long needed answer for getting CPU business competitive.


As for graphics cards HD5000-serie had superior architecture to Nvidias Fermi (with fake cards) which consumed heck lot more power.
But instead of setting up lynching party lots of people completely disregarded heating Fermistor's power consumption.

While actually "reference always bad - non-reference good" fashionable factory overclocked GP102 cards now consumer more power than Fermi.
Neither was anyone calling for lynching party when Nvidia had all those manufactured to fail cards during "bumpgate".
(with people baking their cards in oven to reflow broken solder joints)
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amd could easily make it part of the deal that Radeon has to supply them with gpus for using apus for consoles/desktops for x amount of years, just like the deal with global foundries when they got sold off.
 
Erik13 said:
Most troubling thing is that Amd is dead silent and doesn't do any damage control. If performance indeed was much better they would be screaming about that at the top of their lungs right now
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PcPer called up AMD and told them what they were planning and AMD assured that they had the latest drivers etc. While AMD wouldn't have been able to silence PcPer they could have used that opportunity to explain that there are known issues that are being worked on and the FE numbers wont be representative of gaming Vega, yadydayda. AMD could have got PCPer to put out a word of caution but no, they seemingly were happy with the numbers that were going to be released to thousands over a live stream without any official marketing blrub from AMD.

AMD will have known this would happen all along, and if RX Vega really is going to be some how dramatically different then they should not have released the FE cards at all, or released the FE card but did a proper launch of Vega and gave the media their own internal benchmarks of RX Vega and the reasoning for the difference in performance.

The more I think about the more I am sure that gaming Vega really wont be any different at all. 1 month of extra river development wont do anything. If there is a hardware bug and his is magically fixed by the end of july then they shouldn't;t have released FE at all and have 1 months of terrible publicity. Even if they ended up with a stock pile of broken Vega FE chips and decided that selling them off as cheap pro cards would recoup some of the losses, they could have done that in 6 weeks time. Yeah, they told investors H12017 release, and investors new that was June, if they then released end of July investors would not be that upset. A 1-2 month delay on a product like this is nothing. Shares are down 15% since Monday.
 
D.P. said:
PcPer called up AMD and told them what they were planning and AMD assured that they had the latest drivers etc. While AMD wouldn't have been able to silence PcPer they could have used that opportunity to explain that there are known issues that are being worked on and the FE numbers wont be representative of gaming Vega, yadydayda. AMD could have got PCPer to put out a word of caution but no, they seemingly were happy with the numbers that were going to be released to thousands over a live stream without any official marketing blrub from AMD.

AMD will have known this would happen all along, and if RX Vega really is going to be some how dramatically different then they should not have released the FE cards at all, or released the FE card but did a proper launch of Vega and gave the media their own internal benchmarks of RX Vega and the reasoning for the difference in performance.

The more I think about the more I am sure that gaming Vega really wont be any different at all. 1 month of extra river development wont do anything. If there is a hardware bug and his is magically fixed by the end of july then they shouldn't;t have released FE at all and have 1 months of terrible publicity. Even if they ended up with a stock pile of broken Vega FE chips and decided that selling them off as cheap pro cards would recoup some of the losses, they could have done that in 6 weeks time. Yeah, they told investors H12017 release, and investors new that was June, if they then released end of July investors would not be that upset. A 1-2 month delay on a product like this is nothing. Shares are down 15% since Monday.
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if vega FE has major hardware bugs that rx vega will have fixed then amd leave themselves open to being sued. so I highly doubt that's remotely possible.

don't forget, amd have said things like "whilst working on a game you can switch to gaming mode and play the game to help optimise "

what content creator is going to use a gpu that's physically flawed so badly it cuts it's performance in games in half to test for optimisations?

that would be like saying use GTX 970s to test 4gb vram limits in your games.


anyway, on the phone call, amd told people on ryzen release "optimizations are coming" they had several gsme developers on day one saying "we're going to patch our games to fix inconsistencies"

hell amd even had advise like "yeah your performance is low disable SMT"

the fact they have 0 words of advice for vega, no "we've got optimizations coming" no "try disabling this to get more performance"

if things like tile based rendering wernt working, don't you think amd would have something to say about this? instead of "yep it's all fine"
 
D.P. said:
The more I think about the more I am sure that gaming Vega really wont be any different at all. 1 month of extra river development wont do anything. If there is a hardware bug and his is magically fixed by the end of july then they shouldn't;t have released FE at all and have 1 months of terrible publicity. Even if they ended up with a stock pile of broken Vega FE chips and decided that selling them off as cheap pro cards would recoup some of the losses, they could have done that in 6 weeks time. Yeah, they told investors H12017 release, and investors new that was June, if they then released end of July investors would not be that upset. A 1-2 month delay on a product like this is nothing. Shares are down 15% since Monday.
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As AMD have hit their H1-17 target, the RX launch at the end of July, early August could be a paper launch (like the 480) to give them more time for driver development. Could be a September or later release.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
This is the Fury X all over again,but potentially worse,as they panic rush stuff out to meet some internal deadline,and yet again its half baked and destroys any momentum they might have built up. AMD has so much goodwill from Ryzen,Intel having issues with X299,etc and like clutching defeat from the jaws of victory,AMD seems to then manage to give their other competition(Nvidia) even more room.

Seriously people are talking about hype trains - expecting Vega to match or slightly exceeding a 314MM2 GP104 based card,launched over a year ago with a 500MM2 GPU based card,with double the VRAM,50% more memory bandwidth,with a decent performance/watt improvement over Fiji is not a hype train,its a hype tram.

You are talking around 30% more performance over a Fury X FFS!! How can anybody think 30% maybe 35% is much after two years??

A hype train would be expecting it to match or beat a Titan X.

I have been using a GTX1080 since last year!!
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Certainly isn't outlandish to expect performance between a 1080 and a 1080TI. Not sure what's going in with AMD at the moment.
 
zornyan said:
if vega FE has major hardware bugs that rx vega will have fixed then amd leave themselves open to being sued. so I highly doubt that's remotely possible.

don't forget, amd have said things like "whilst working on a game you can switch to gaming mode and play the game to help optimise "

what content creator is going to use a gpu that's physically flawed so badly it cuts it's performance in games in half to test for optimisations?

that would be like saying use GTX 970s to test 4gb vram limits in your games.


anyway, on the phone call, amd told people on ryzen release "optimizations are coming" they had several gsme developers on day one saying "we're going to patch our games to fix inconsistencies"

hell amd even had advise like "yeah your performance is low disable SMT"

the fact they have 0 words of advice for vega, no "we've got optimizations coming" no "try disabling this to get more performance"

if things like tile based rendering wernt working, don't you think amd would have something to say about this? instead of "yep it's all fine"
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I agree, i don't think gaming Vega will be that much difference. AMD is seemingly happy with terrible publicity for at least a month. There is really no logical explanation for that. But if RX vega performs the same as FE Vega then nothing really changes for AMD, they get bad press now or bad press next month.
 
Erik13 said:
Most troubling thing is that Amd is dead silent and doesn't do any damage control. If performance indeed was much better they would be screaming about that at the top of their lungs right now
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That's my concern too. Every time there is a flop product it's starts with this silence for months on end as if something is going pear shaped. Its got panic behind closed doors written all over it.
 
five8five said:
As AMD have hit their H1-17 target, the RX launch at the end of July, early August could be a paper launch (like the 480) to give them more time for driver development. Could be a September or later release.
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That gets them 2 months for driver development. The problem is driver development will have started a year or more before there is even working silicon, and they have probably had engineering samples for over 9 months now, so even having another 2 months to work on things doesn't seem liekly they could generate an major uplift.

Now if we do asusme there is a driver issue then they should have never released FE knowing that it will be reviewed by the likes of PCPer. They could have said there is a 1-2 month delay, investors wouldn't care that much. They could have done a pre-launch with some more demos runnign on games, released architecture detaiils, talked about the amazing ability to X, Y and Z, how great HBm2 was, showed working cards to the press. Then Investors would know Vega is coming.
 
JediFragger said:
They're pushing it close, Volta could come around then/Oct. Rumours are indicating 1080SLi performance levels or thereabouts...
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Volta will be another jump like we're used to seeing.

the 2070 will bring 1080ti levels of performance, the 2080 will be 20% or so faster the titan another 30% or so faster than that (depending if full chip or cut down gv102)

that's if they use gddr6 on the full range.
 
To me this is FuryX 2.0 as i look at it..... I made decision and I WIL BUY IT as long as its faster than 1080 and around 500 quid.

Ill buy it just to see how crap it is :D since All i need is something faster than my overclocked 980ti as all i Play nowadays is WoW in 3D and VR games on my Oculus rift and those are optimised for lower tier GPU's anyway.


Vega THE OVERCLOCKERS DREAM o wait wrong card lol
 
The doom and gloom brigade out in full force i see. :o

Don't see why people just can't wait to see the rx iteration before pounding the nails into the coffin lid.
 
As long as its faster than my 290 as I'm on freesync ill get it and at a fair price like between a 1070 and 1080
 
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