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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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silversurfer said:
The Pcper guy said it is a gaming card, like it or not he holds the same as Titan. A card built to serve multiple tasks.
AMD say definitely dont buy it to play games so that does seem different to me but he has a point in it being similar.


Is this based off Frontier and the assumption the Rx drivers etc is just a story/stalling, it'll be similar to frontier but cheaper.

I dont think Rx will come with 16gb for example, I might be wrong but if AMD insists it is distinct that'd be one point
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Its most like going to have 8GB of HBM2,so that should drop power a bit,and might mean the gaming card will boost a bit higher.

But I am just perplexed at why AMD continuously launches graphics cards like this - I can at least understand Ryzen having some issues and TBH it actually still is a solid performer and is fantastically priced with great stock coolers,but honestly this is getting almost to meme level when it comes to AMD graphics cards,either the drivers have big issues,or the hardware has some problem and instead of AMD trying to actually learn from this they end up repeating the same mistakes again and again.

Enthusiasts like us might give them some leeway,but all of this does not reflect well on them as a brand and its no wonder so many people just buy Nvidia. They have so much goodwill from Ryzen and this is how they are tarnishing it with an own goal?? I mean Nvidia must be going LOLWTFBBQ. AMD is giving them chances for free.

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It also reflects badly on their more competitive lower end cards too.
 
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D.P. said:
And wy create a driver where you can switch between pro mode and gaming mode if you aren't supposed to game on it, Lol.
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Same reason you'd say "Don't buy a helicopter to go to the shops with" - You can still go to the shops with one, but you wouldn't buy it TO do that.
 
Boomstick777 said:
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In the end dude,Nvidia has 70% of the graphics market - do you honestly think excuse making for a card released 13 months after the GTX1080,consumes much more power and is slower is going to make them look better??

Instead of trolling people learn to be objective - excuse making for AMD is not going to increase their marketshare and are you going to buy that £1000 Vega FE and ditch your GTX1080TI??

Even you have voted with your wallet when you could have waited for the RX Vega launch.

So your the one who despite trying to make fun of people criticising a subpar launch ended up buying the faster card??

Excuse making won't change the fact that at just under 30% marketshare,ATI even at its worst still was more competitive in mindshare than AMD has been.

Enthusiasts on forums defending them won't change the perception of AMD cards. Good launches will.
 
Look forward to AMD releasing something, if only to stop all the boring old lady' moaning type posts, that always happen around an AMD launch.

My god it's boring in here atm. We need actual hardware and real user experience plz. Until then just gonna be more people getting

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Kaapstad said:
Are the latest performance figures for Vega accurate?

In some I have seen it is struggling to beat a GTX 1070.

https://www.techpowerup.com/234775/new-performance-benchmarks-of-amds-vega-frontier-edition-surface
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Yep,and some people are getting triggered since they are in denial and how terrible the performance is.

PCPER found at 4K it was in-between a GTX1070 and a GTX1080 and consumes around 280W maybe more,which is more than the water cooled Fury X and is power throttling.
 
Kaapstad said:
Are the latest performance figures for Vega accurate?

In some I have seen it is struggling to beat a GTX 1070.

https://www.techpowerup.com/234775/new-performance-benchmarks-of-amds-vega-frontier-edition-surface
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Yup, in cases it's barely above stock Fury X as well. There's something really wrong, as the old engineering sample at 1200Mhz, with debugging drivers, on debugging PCB was faster than overclocked 1080 in Doom.

Now a 1600Mhz Vega can't even beat an overclocked fury x in that game.
 
Boomstick777 said:
Look forward to AMD releasing something, if only to stop all the boring old lady' moaning type posts, that always happen around an AMD launch.

My god it's boring in here atm. We need actual hardware and real user experience plz. Until then just gonna be more people getting

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Lmao!

It is funny because it is true :D

I always love AMD threads, also, notice how AMD threads always tend of have way more posts/pages than any nvidia thread, even combined? :D And about 80% of posts are AMD are DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED :D
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Rys Sommefeldt Snr. Manager, Game Engineering at AMD RTG Editor-in-Chief of Beyond3D

https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1989522/
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Cheers, I saw that when it posted earlier.

N19h7m4r3 said:
Directly from PcPer staff.


https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...updated-june-29.2508928/page-18#post-38961668
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"Shipping driver is current, but is not comparable to RX Vega driver"

I don't remember him saying "not comparable to the RX drivers" but he did say he expected the RX drivers to be between zero and 8 to 10 per cent faster than the current FE drivers.

I thought the rumour about the FE drivers being debugged Fiji ones had been debunked? He mentioned internet rumours about "old drivers".
 
ltron said:
He didn't say anything about them being debugged Fiji ones. He asked AMD whether the performance he was getting was at the correct level and they said yes it was.

He ran a utility later on that seemed to show Vega wasn't performing tiled rendering and people have assumed that meant it was disabled. However, AMD haven't said anything about this and I'm sure they would have if this was the case as it could provide improved performance and power usage. Maybe the utility was not working correctly with Vega. We don't know because AMD insist on staying silent. This is a bad sign.
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The whole tiled rendering conspriacy is a bit weak here. There is absolutely no proof that the utility used to check TBR is actually going to pick up on it with all hardware. If vega supports TBR it will definitely support IMR and the driver will be able to select between modes based on the rendering code. At worse the driver might have manual overrides and wasn't enabled for that utility, but that doesn't mean it wasn't enabled for the actual games. Supporting TBR in the drivers would be pretty fundamental so if somehow this was broken in Vega FE, we go back to the same question of why this would magically get fixed in the next month when AMD have had 12-18mmonths or longer to work on drivers. Or if it is a hardware issue fixed in a later revision, then why release the dysfunctional FE at all and let the world see abysmal benchmarks for a month.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Yes they are correct.

Some people are taking it as true values for RX Vega and proclaiming that it is DOA.

Some people are confused by performance regression and are questioning whether the drivers are functioning properly.

Some people don't give a **** and are waiting until the proper gaming card with final/finished drivers come out

Pick your side :D
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Added the 3rd option for you ;)
 
five8five said:
Cheers, I saw that when it posted earlier.
"Shipping driver is current, but is not comparable to RX Vega driver"

I don't remember him saying "not comparable to the RX drivers" but he did say he expected the RX drivers to be between zero and 8 to 10 per cent faster than the current FE drivers.

I thought the rumour about the FE drivers being debugged Fiji ones had been debunked? He mentioned internet rumours about "old drivers".
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I dunno man, but that is PcPer staff directly typing those replies, and say that's what AMD told them. Maybe it's from the call just before the stream started. I'd take their word for it though, professional integrity and all that.

They were also tested the FE with a stock 5960X, as just two replies down Nathan state everything was stock on, and Ryan mentioned it in the stream as well.
 
Boomstick777 said:
Look forward to AMD releasing something, if only to stop all the boring old lady' moaning type posts, that always happen around an AMD launch.

My god it's boring in here atm. We need actual hardware and real user experience plz. Until then just gonna be more people getting

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love the triggers :)

Well for me i am having good fun reading all these posts ...i do want AMD to sort there .. out ..
and hit the market with something good for the right price ...they have done it with ryzen would be nice if they could do the same with vega ...will see just a month to go ...
 
ltron said:
He didn't say anything about them being debugged Fiji ones. He asked AMD whether the performance he was getting was at the correct level and they said yes it was.

He ran a utility later on that seemed to show Vega wasn't performing tiled rendering and people have assumed that meant it was disabled. However, AMD haven't said anything about this and I'm sure they would have if this was the case as it could provide improved performance and power usage. Maybe the utility was not working correctly with Vega. We don't know because AMD insist on staying silent. This is a bad sign.
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Cheers for the confirmation. I saw it up to power consumption tests. I thought I'd missed more driver talk!

I don't get the silence bit either, it's very strange because it's not going to go away. There will be more test in the coming days.
 
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